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DougE6:
Yes Let God Judge between me and Thee

You claim that your understanding of Gods sovereignty puts everything, even your lusts and evil acts, under the direct acts of God. You think you are righteous in claiming this because you think this is demonstrating TOTAL submission to God. So you think you are on the way to true spiritual growth because you are serving no idols, in your mind.

Really? No idols?  God rules your heart? Our carnal passions and desires are idols, if you are following them you are NOT serving God, you are already serving idols. Serving God means you have righteousness within.  Can you not see that you are substituting an idol for God, and by saying any and all impulses are from Him you can make your carnal mind your God, contrary to what you claim?

What God, John form Kentucky? What God are you bowing to? Where are the posts from you telling of your love of righteousness? How much you hate the wickedness in yourself? How you are struggling to be like God? I have not seen one.

Your idea is to be completely PASSIVE to any and all impulses; and then to serve your carnal passions, because you believe your carnal passions are from God.  So you don't even try to resist because everything is from God . So you are NOT serving the GOD you claim to be in your bowing down to His sovereignty.  You are bowing down to your carnal mind, and yet claiming it is bowing to God. That is how I see it. Sorry.

yes, Let God judge between you and me. Let Him make you righteous and give you a thirst for righteousness, with no more posts about how much you enjoy or enjoyed sin...then I will believe that you are serving the Real God.

Doug

mmijares:

--- Quote from: DougE6 on September 16, 2011, 06:23:17 PM ---It goes hand in hand. EVEN As God does the work, we must put in the effort, and He will respond by changing out hearts. Gods total sovereignity is NEVER an excuse not to put in effort.

--- End quote ---

Hi DougE6

As far as I what I have understood from Ray's article regarding God's rest (sabbath), your statement is not so.  IT IS God who is putting the effort - ALL the effort to do good.  And for this very reason, we enter to His rest.  All the good things we do (INCLUDING the very effort of doing it) are God's doing.  It only "feels" like we did or exerted an effort to do it (good deed) but ALL credit belongs to Him.

Truly acknowledging God that it is HE Who works in us BOTH TO WILL (put or exert an effort) AND TO DO of His good pleasure is entering His true rest.

DougE6:
mmijares
Here is a post form a recent thread, and Rays Direct response...
THE POST...
None of us are saying that good works are not needed.  All good comes from God.  The nub of the matter is who gets credit for the good works?
If we think, in our heart, that the good works come from us, that repentance comes from us, that our knowledge comes from us, that our faith comes from us, then we are God in the temple of our heart.  The Beast lives in our heart.
On the other hand, when we are baptized with the Spirit, when Jesus lives within us, then the Beast has been killed, and we do those things that Jesus does.  We think like Jesus and we do the works of Jesus.  Through this Spirit we are subject to the Kingdom of God.  God is sovereign and rules within us.
Therefore, since it is through the influence of the Spirit of Jesus (the same Spirit as His Father) that we do good works, then God gets all the credit for the good works that we do.  God is sovereign in all things.  All the credit, all the glory goes to God.

RAYS DIRECT RESPONSE....

RAYS' COMMENT:  Actually a great deal of credit does go to those who have good works: 
2Ti 3:16-17 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

Tit 2:14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto Himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

Tit 3:8 This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and PROFITABLE UNTO MEN. 

Tabitha was raised from the dead by Peter.  Do we not think that maybe she was granted this incredible miralce because she was 'FULL of good works?"

Act 9:36 Now there was at Joppa a certain disciple named Tabitha, which by interpretation is called Dorcas: this woman was full of good works and alms deeds which she did.

We will in fact be reward for OUR good works even though they are inspired from God.

God be with you all,

Ray

Stacey:
John Michael, seems your thread has turned into yet another back and forth between JFK and Doug. As if we needed another one of those.

I don't know if Satan can read minds. I suppose if the Father enabled him to do so then he can.

I don't understand how any man or woman who has ever worked a good days labor would have a problem understanding that it was they who put the effort in to do so. Sure, the Father enabled them to do it and ultimately gets all the credit but yet they themselves did put the effort into the job at hand. Surely no one would think that Jesus did not have to put in effort to carry out what He did. He had no problem giving the Father credit but yet He put in the effort to carry out the work.  

onelovedread:
Seems to me that some of us are fooling ourselves into thinking we understand when we really don't. Surely both sides can't be correct.

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