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jerry:
Almost all christianity beleave that bablylon the great of revelations is a chrurch some even teach it to be the catholic faith like the last group I was afiliated with,but where is it ever called a church its called a woman or harlot but never a church,Ive got the book,the two babylons by hislop but he never says why he thinks its the catholic churchother that pangan practices.Im more convinced its  a great christian nation that has political power over the whole world even the name babylon comes from the nation built by nimrod the mighty hunter,which happen to be noahs' grandsom,she will come to her end by gods judgement againts her but not before she is politicly and economicly destroyed,it also says that the beast will eat her flesh and burn her with fire sounds like a sacrifice to me, makes me think its America because we are being sacrificed for the good of global government by the super rich of the world,sounds pretty strange but im keeping and open mind.I bet not many people know that the statue of liberty is a pagan godess of babylon,I think its strange to that we call our childrin babies=baby-lon,I think its also strange that the founding fathers were mostly made up of masons even our first presedent was a mason,we all know about the sorceries of the masons,and we are a fallen christian nation,just think of what a dark day that would be if america finaly fell completly we are the engine of the world everything would come to a screeching halt everything,may be why the merchants of the earth that became rich through her are crying standing afar off.One thing for sure if we do ever fall that would give golbal government that chance to take over what ever form that might take. time will tell,the bible says all prophecy will fail so its best to take what I say with a grain of salt,campareing  america and babylon  the great is kind of scary,maybe God has been involed in nation building even through all these years, I quess time will tell.....Jerry

hillsbororiver:
Hi Jerry,

I have no inside knowledge that America or Russia or China will or will not be destroyed soon in some manner or fashion but I do know that at some point in the future they (we) will all bow down to our Lord.

Babylon is more likely to represent the church world rather than the world political system, I do not know of any (NT) scripture or of any Words of Jesus that speaks of that we should worry or be concerned about nations or their political situations. There are many scriptures that speak directly to the called and chosen about spiritual things and growing in Him and loving all of our brothers and sisters. The warfare we need to be aware of and be on guard for is the warfare between our flesh and His spirit.

Joe 

jerry:
Thanks Joe for your coments to my post.If I may say the early christians that were thrown in the arena with lions,the fact that persecution in general on a grand scale is usually political,nations of the world have always used religion to control their populations,that goes for christian and nonchristian states,Jesus was crucified because the people in power felt threatened I think my thinking is correct on this,likewise the people in power persecuted the christian church because they were afraid of their political power to inflewence the concience of the masses,then because the church had grown so larg constantine must have thought hey if you cant bet them,(the more our brothers and sisters were persecuted the more they grew in numbers)if you cant bet them join them and take over which I beleave is what he did,he would be what I think is a false prophet.It could be that at some point this nation may claim certain groups are a threat to thier politacal power(natianal security) and began to go after them its very concievable when you concider the phoney war on terror going on now.remember. waco.One in a while you see on cnn how the media portrays chistians that meet in home or dont belong to a church but are true to thier faith as radicals I observed that a few days ago.this is a very interesting topic for me because Ive been studying it for a while now.............God Blessyou.... Jerry

hillsbororiver:
Hi Jerry,

It was the religous leaders of the Jews that instigated the crucifiction of our Lord, it was not the state of Rome that sought to silence Him. The priests of the Jerusalem Synagogue & His own traitorous disciple (Judas) carried out the task that was to put our Lord to death.

If you remember Pilate even tried freeing Him as he saw no guilt in the Man.

Spiritual warfare is what we really need to be concerned with although we know the Lord uses physical examples (shadows) to teach us spiritual things.

Thanks for your comments as well,

Joe

jerry:
I agree Joe it was the religous leaders that took our Lord to the pagan system to be put to death(for thier own politcal perposes.But Pilate was not any differant than the politicians of our day they play both sides to look good to both sides that way they come out being respectesd by both sides of the issue,I dont think Pilate lost any sleep over his decision,Jesus Himself said If they persecuted me (they) will persecut you..............Jerry

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