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God's name- Jehovah?
Ian:
--- Quote from: longhorn on November 07, 2011, 09:46:54 PM ---My head just exploded again.
Longhorn
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May I ask why?
longhorn:
Just so much Info on these post that sometimes my head just explodes, can't explain it.
Longhorn
Samson:
--- Quote from: Ian on November 07, 2011, 02:46:33 PM ---
--- Quote from: Revilonivek on November 01, 2011, 03:55:21 PM ---Is Yahweh God's name???!!
Look up Isaiah 42:8, Amos5:8 psalms 124:8 and many others. Notice the capitalizations?
What if bible translators didn't want to write down his actual name so they used Lord instead?
Thoughts?
Denise
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From Douglas Larson:
"'Jehovah' originated through translators squishing the vowels of 'Adonai' (Lord) into the Tetragrammaton, YHWH. In most Bibles the Tetragrammaton, which occurs thousands of times in the Old Testament, is simply replaced with the Word 'Lord,' and in the King James Version the word 'Lord' is written in all capital letters: 'LORD,' or in small-cap capital letters."
So you are correct in your assessment. ^^
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Actually, no one knows the exact spelling of the divine Name, most Bible "Scholars" prefer Yahweh, but the problem exists as to what vowels were used between the consonants YHWH(The Tetragrammaton). Before the Tradition and superstition of avoiding the use God's Name arose they would verbally insert the accurate vowel points when pronouncing the Divine Name, but in Our modern times, no one knows for sure which vowels were used between those consonants(YHWH).
YHWH is used 6,933 in the Hebrew/Aramaic(Old Testament) Scriptures. Some have argued that whenever the New Testament writers directly quote from the Old Testament where Yahweh or Jehovah is mentioned, it should be used in that place of the New Testament where quoted from the Old Testament. This theory is based on the idea that Jesus and His Apostles used the Greek Septuagint of the Old Testament and that some of the older copies of the Septuagint contain the Divine Name(YHWH).
The main problem in this Theory is that We don't have any original Manuscripts of the New Testament available in order to prove all of this, even though the New Testament Writers had access & used The Greek Septuagint Translation of the Old Testament and probably used those older copies that contained YHWH. Interestingly, the Name Yeshua(Jesus) literally means " Jehovah or Yahweh Saves."
Below are some quotes from Ray on this topic, copied and pasted in blue.
rom: Wendy
When God gave moses the ten commandments He said (you shall not make wrongful use of the name of the Lord your God, for the Lord will not acquit anyone who misuses his name.) So what is his name since ( (GOD and LORD) are english titles
Should'nt we be using Gods real name and not titles. This is not a trick question, but i would like to know your thought on this subject. I can't get any preacher to answer me.
Dear Wendy:
The Name of the God of the Old Testament is "Yahweh/Jehovah." Also "I AM WHO I AM."
In the New Testament Jesus never called His Father by any Name, Just "Father." No man has ever seen or heard the voice of God the Father of Jesus Christ, hence the "God" of the Old Testament is the Word or Spokesman for God, Jesus the Christ (John 1:1-3). But, as Jesus and His Father "ARE ONE" (John 10:30), we cannot exclude One from the Other no matter Which is speaking or performing. Listen to my Conference tape from our Nashville Bible Study which should be posted on our Forum by now.
God be with you,
Ray
Dear Markus:
First, there is no such thing as a "Godhead." It is "Divine" or "Divinity" or "Deity,"
and it means "that which pertains to God." God the Father lived and spoke and worked
in His Son Jesus. In his body, Jesus represented God the Father. Hence, he told Philip
that when he saw Christ he also saw His Father (John 14:8-11). "I and My Father
are ONE" (John 10:30).
God be with you,
Ray
Dear Kari:
No I did not stick my foot in my mouth. YES, "Jehovah is God," but NO, "Jesus is NOT His SON," as you suggest. No man has ever seen God or heard His voice. We are told this by Jesus Himself. Who then did Moses both SEE AND HEAR? Why it was "the LORD," and just who is the Lord? Why He is Yahweh. And Who is Yahweh? God the Father? NO--Jesus Christ (I Cor. 10:4, etc., etc.). You still have a lot to learn about this "trinity" stuff. There are no THREE PERSONS in a so-called "godhead." But Jesus and His Father are ONE (John 10:30). ONE what? ONE God. And They Both have ONE SPIRIT, seeing that "God IS SPIRIT."
It's all in my paper. You just need to pay closer attention to the Scriptures.
God be with you,
Ray
PS No need to answer back, I will NOT argue this subject and I have no further need of your arguments. There is no Scriptural proof that Jesus Father is Yahweh, and that changes all the theories of most of Christendom.
Dear Eric:
Thank you for your email and comments.
I just refuse to get caught up in all this "Sacred Name Society" business.
You used the word, "Messiah" which is an Hebrew word. But the New Testament uses the word "Messia" which is the Greek form of the Hebrew, "messiah." Should we use and speak Greek or Hebrew. But "messiah" means "anointed." "Christ" also means "anointed." Which should we use, Messia or Christ? Should we call our Lord, Yahshua, Messia or Jesus Christ?
And there we have that word "Lord." In the Greek, Lord is "kurios" and it means supreme in authority or Lord. But in Hebrew, Lord is "Yehovah" and it means self-existent, the Jewish national name of God. But in Psalm 113:1 we read,
"Praise ye the Lord, Praise, O ye servants of the Lord, praise the NAME OF THE LORD."
But "Lord" is "Yehovah/Yehwah/Jehovah" in Hebrew, yet you say "Yahweh is the NAME OF GOD" whereas the Scripture says "Praise the name OF the Lord," not "Praise the NAME LORD." Furthermore, Jehovah (YHWH) IS JESUS CHRIST, not God the Father!
Jesus also said that, "Before Abraham was, I AM." Jesus Christ is the "I AM" of the Old Testament. Well, yes, of course, no man has ever seen God the Father, but Moses and others did see and hear "I AM" and "Jehovah." And God told Moses that "I AM" was His name. He told Moses to tell the Children of Israel that God's name is, "I AM."
And so, even those who make a virtual religion out of this Sacred name business have not a clue as that they are talking about.
It is not wrong to call our Lord, "Jesus Christ." Furthermore, the whole world knows Him as Jesus Christ, and they are already confused enough about religion and the Scriptures, that I don't think we need to add one more obstacle to their understanding.
God be with you,
Hence, Yahweh(YHWH) is Jesus and Jesus(Yeshua) means Yahweh Saves or Salvation of Yahweh, I sometimes "wonder," (not necessarily believing) if The Father and Jesus share the same name as another aspect of their Oneness. Every name in Heaven and on Earth comes from God. Often an Earthly Father will name His Son after Him, but with a Junior after it, so they actually share the same Name, but the Father precedes the Son.
Eph 3:14 For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
Eph 3:15 Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named,
Php 2:9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
Php 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
Php 2:11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Kind Regards, Samson.
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