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HELL AND THE TRINITY?

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Dennis Vogel:
> Ray,
>
> It is so sad to see that you are allowing Satan to use you to confuse people
> and to tell them to not believe the BIBLE! When you say that there is no
> Hell and no trinity, you are going directly against the very Word of God.
> IT SPECIFICALLY SAYS IN THE BIBLE THAT THERE IS A HELL! If there isn't a
> hell, then where do you think Satan and all the fallen angels will live? I
> can tell you from the Bible. Check out Matthew 25:41 and Revelation 20:10.
> Also, the Bible says clearly that those who refuse Him will spend eternity
> there. Revelation 20:12-15 says,"AND I SAW THE DEAD, SMALL AND GREAT, STAND
> BEFORE GOD; AND THE BOOKS WERE OPENED: AND ANOTHER BOOK WAS OPENED, WHICH IS
> THE BOOK OF LIFE: AND THE DEAD WERE JUDGED OUT OF THOSE THINGS WHICH WERE
> WRITTEN IN THE BOOKS, ACCORDING TO THEIR WORKS. AND THE SEA GAVE UP THE
> DEAD WHICH WERE IN IT; AND DEATH AND HELL DELIVERED UP THE THE DEAD WHICH
> WERE IN THEM : AND THEY WERE JUDGED EVERY MAN ACCORDING TO THEIR WORKS.
> AND DEATH AND HELL WERE CAST INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE. THIS IS THE SECOND
> DEATH. AND WHOSOEVER WAS NOT FOUND WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF LIFE WAS CAST
> INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE." It's not God sending us there, it's man's own
> choice. God wants us to choose to accept His gift of salvation on our own
> will, however if we know the truth from the Bible and still refuse to accept
> Christ as our Saviour, then WE have sent ourselves to an eternal Hell, not
> GOD! AND YOU, are sending people to hell as well with your website. I'm
> not sure what Bible you use, but obviously you have been very misguided.
> When Jesus was on the earth, He spoke more about Hell then He did of Heaven.
> AND GUESS WHAT? It's all recorded in the KJV Bible. Wow! Maybe you
> should actually read some things in it before you put all this stuff on your
> website. There are also verses in the Bible that prove the Trinity is real,
> and that man does have a soul. In Genesis 1:26 it says, "Let US make man in
> OUR image." What about I John 5:7 which says, "FOR THERE ARE THREE THAT
> BEAR RECORD IN HEAVEN, THE FATHER, THE WORD, AND THE HOLY GHOST: AND THESE
> THREE ARE ONE." Just those two verses alone should be enough but I won't
> stop there. What about Matthew 3:13-17 where Jesus is being baptized.
> Jesus is in the water, the Spirit is coming down like a dove, and the Father
> is speaking from Heaven-three distinct persons. What about how the Bible
> commands us to baptize in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy
> Ghost? There is God the Father-a verse for that is I corinthians 8:6.
> There is God the Son:Jesus-verses for that-John 1:1-3, 14; John 3:16, John
> 10:28-32, John 5:18, Colossians 2:9, I Timothy 3:16, Hebrews 1:8, Matthew
> 9:1-7, Matthew 18:20, John 3:13. God the Holy Spirit-Acts 5:3-4, John
> 15:26, Acts 13:1-2, 16:6, Ephesians 4:30. Check those out and then tell me
> the Trinity isn't real. Do you believe in Heaven? Probably not. But if you
> don't, let me warn you, you definitely won't be there! Some good books in
> the Bible for you to read would be John and Revelation. Ohhhh, that's
> right, did you already read them? ...Well, if you have read them, and still
> don't believe in a hell, then you obviously don't have the right Bible or
> you aren't all there. I believe you to be one of Satan's greatest tools in
> working against God and all that He has written for us in the Bible. You
> probably are really a member of the Church of Satan and are just trying to
> earn brownie points. Anyways, I hope that doesn't sound like I'm just being
> rude, I really believe that to be the case.
> May you come to know the ONE TRUE GOD before it's too late!
> A Saved from HELL Baptized Christian,
> Rachel
> PS. I would appreciate a response, my email is ...


Dear Rachel:

Rachel, you do not have enough information on this subject to even have a valid opinion. You say: "The BIBLE says....."  God did not write the "bible."  God wrote the Hebrew and Greek Scriptures from which we  translate bibles. There are many bibles that do not contain the word "hell." Do you know why? Of course you don't. Well the reason is that there is no word in either the Hebrew or Greek Scriptures that can be translated "hell," that's why. If you would read my series on "HELL," you would learn these things, but the question is, Are you interested in the Truths of God or the evil traditions of men?

God be with you,

Ray

Satch:
Please forgive if I am speaking out of turn but in reading the post by Rachel, she did provide a lot of scripture. It does seem that she has studied and gone to the Bible. The Bible is our "touchstone" in the truths that we live by. I don't have an original scroll written in the Hebrew or Greek and I don't know of anyone who does. We take the translation we have and study and read to the best of our abilities. Everyone has the right to express their opinion and what they see in the scriptures. I don't think they should be " shot down".

zander:
Its great to see Rachel provide "bible verses", that at least shows she isnt without foundation.

But shes part of the firm that knows or teaches as much as she does.  Lets hope she studies further as we all know the original manuscripts are available now.

Satch:
Hopefully, we all will continue to study and pray with open minds and hearts so that God can do His will in our lives.

hillsbororiver:
Rev 21:4  And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

Satch, have you read any of Ray and Mike's material? I think you will see Rachel's post in an entirely different light (Lord willing) if you take the time to read the Lake of Fire series and Strong Delusion.

No more pain, no more suffering or crying, sorrow is gone as well, would this be true if an eternal hell existed?

Dan 12:4  But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

Knowledge of Hebrew and Greek is not the stumbling block it was in the past, anyone sitting at a computer with Internet access is a click away from the root meanings of these words if they so desire.

Satch, who "shot her down," did you read all her own supposition she threw in with a few scriptures? An effective technique used by satan from the beginning. Did you see where she accused Ray of "confusing people and tell them not to believe in the Bible," show me where Ray does that in his papers.

She also makes the statement that the in the KJV bible He speaks more of hell than heaven, I did a quick search on KJV e-sword and got 54 hits on hell (don't forget to check the original Hebrew/Greek) and 551 hits on heaven.

Do you really believe Ray is a member of the church of satan and is trying to earn brownie points? This woman is presently delusional, it may just be that when she was introduced to the Good News she was shocked and repelled by it, I pray for her and that her eyes are opened.

Until that time the unscriptural heresy she proposes does need to be disputed and exposed.

Joe

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