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HELL AND THE TRINITY?

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Sorin:
Great post Bobby!!

Dennis Vogel:
I emailed Rachel the following: What do you think Satch?

Please see this from http://bible-truths.com/trinity.html

Dennis Vogel


 

First of all we must dispense with I John 5:7 which reads in the King James Version

"For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."

There is a problem with this verse. The words that I typed in bold print are not Scripture. They should NOT be in the Bible. There are many Bibles that do not contain these words. Here are a few:

The Concordant Literal New Testament: "...seeing that three there are that are testifying, the spirit, and the water, and the blood, and the three are for the one thing."

New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures: "For there are three witness bearers, the spirit and the water and the blood, and the three are in agreement."

A New Translation by James Moffatt: "The witnesses are three, the Spirit and the water and the blood, and the three of them are in accord."

The Emphatic Diaglott: "For there are three which testify; the Spirit, and the water, and the blood; and the three are of one."

This version has a footnote: "This text concerning the heavenly witnesses [as found in some versions] is NOT contained in ANY Greek manuscript which was written earlier than the 15th century. It is not cited by ANY of the Greek ecclesiastical writers; nor by ANY of the early Latin fathers..."

The Holy Bible--New Catholic Version: "For there are three that bear witness [in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness on earth]: the Spirit, and the water, and the blood; and these three are one."

The brackets are supplied by the translators. This version also has a footnote: "According to the evidence of many manuscripts, and the majority of commentators, these verses should read: ‘For there are three that bear witness: the Spirit, and the water, and the blood; and these three are one.’ The Holy See reserves to itself the right to pass finally on the origin of the present reading."

The New Testament from 26 Translations: Footnote, page 1183, "The words between ‘bear record’ (verse 7) and ‘the spirit’ (verse 8) are now recognized as not adequately supported by original manuscripts."

As those words were hand written in a copy of a manuscript as late as the 15th century and do not appear in ANY Greek manuscript, they have no place in the inspired Word of God. I know of only one other verse that does not have adequate support by original manuscripts and that is Acts 28 and verse 30. This added verse in Acts 28 is not, however, harmful as the added verse in I John 5:7.

Why do intelligent people allow theologians to convince them that one plus one plus one equals ONE? If a person is not even qualified to teach kinder-garden math, who would trust these same men with the dissemination of mature spiritual knowledge?

Let me be perfectly clear, logical, and Scriptural on this matter:

One plus one plus one DOES NOT equal one!

One God plus one God plus one God DOES NOT equal one God!

One third of a God plus one third of a God plus one third of a God DOES NOT equal one whole God!

The Holy Spirit of God cannot also be that same God! ANYTHING that is either "from" or "of" something ELSE cannot also "BE" that something else no matter what or who it is!

A "Father" and a "Son" CANNOT ALSO BE THE SAME PERSON!

Satch:
I ask that you allow me to respond to the above post. I do not believe that Mr. Smith is earning "brownie points for the church of satan". Neither do I agree with the scathing manner in which the one who posted this to Mr. Smith. She is no more to judge than anyone else. I also do not believe for a moment that the "orthodox church" has the power to "send people to hell". I appreciate so much the kindness that you all have shown me as I have been here. You have seen me through some rough times and I ask that you continue to pray for me and my family. For the sake of peace I will be asking the moderator to remove me from registered users. I don't want to be a stumbling block to anyone on this forum. Many thanks to you all and may God bless, Satch

Dennis Vogel:
Sorry Satch, I do not understand why you want to be removed? Believe me you are not a stumbling block. We are able to stand. I hope you did not take my post in the wrong way because I meant nothing bad towards you in any way. Just wanted to know if you could see that that text does not belong in bibles.

Dennis

Steve Crook:
Forget it. Had something to say, but falls on deaf ears.

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