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is it important to change mind about freewill ?

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Akira329:
Hey Odading,
You said,

--- Quote ---In short, I do believe about freewill.
bible-truths.com against it.
--- End quote ---

So why did you join this forum?

Did you come here expecting members to convince you to change your mind?
Were you hoping Ray would convince you?
If your not convinced, why join?


--- Quote ---My question,
do I have to force this my understanding : "God gave me freewill and BE responsible !" to change to "I don;t have freewill, God gave me illusion power" - if so at least member of this Forum won't think that I'm wrong ?

and how do I even force it when the force itself is none in me because God's will ?
It is God's Will that I am wrong.
--- End quote ---

You would only change your mind about it so members don't think your wrong? What is that about? Never mind what God thinks!
You spent a great deal of time to explain your beliefs of freewill. Why? Why here?

You read part of the paper, what exactly are you struggling with? It seems like you just have to make a choice based on your statements.

My advice to you,
You ask yourself what would change your mind.

Antaiwan

longhorn:
I simply choose not to choose to make a choice whether I choose free will or not. That way the choice I choose leaves me with many more choices.to choose from.

Longhorn

musicman:
I on the other hand choose to will my-self against all bad choices that I would choose if I chose to do the bad things that made me will lots of evil choices.

Revilonivek:
The usage of words can be tricky and it can get slot of people upset. What ray is saying we do have a will but we do not have "free" will. I think it would help to know who God is really. Because once we do, everything would make sense.

Im thinking now what if God is energy itself? Its in us and around us. It has no beginning or end. It does not die. Its everywhere. We need energy to make evwrything in life function.  Mother nature all around us work according to law, cays and effect and energy is behind it as well. U remember the story of 10 plagues. The ree water, is prob red tide that comes every few years. Then theres frogs. It died, then theres gnats. Then theres locust that eat gnats. locusts are unclean animals and can get into evwrything. Including food. And so on. They have this tradition where their first borns get extra servings of food that  their younger siblings. Tha ia prob why the firstborns die. They are too much of diseased food that locusts inflicted on. Its cause and effect thing. So what if
God is energy itself? It can't be destroyed, nor has beginning nor end but it gives life, to something and can do cauae and effect controlling everything including mother nature because obviously God used mother nature against the egyptians who refused to let his people go. Energy is what gives life, takes life, creates everything and there is not anything that wasnt made of energy? Thoughts?

Dave in Tenn:
It's much easier to understand if you remove 'free' from 'free-will'.  Every choice we make has a cause.  The cause may be as insignificant as 'I want to wear the white shirt today.'  Or it may be as important as 'I was born in my country and speak this language, therefor I cannot be in another country speaking a different language without emigrating and learning.'

We have laws, and we obey them for REASONS.  We also disobey them for reasons.  These reasons are 'causes' which rule our will and make it not 'free'.  

Our choices are all caused by something or someone.  And even the causes are caused through things we have no control over in our pasts and our present--our ancestry, our geography, history, etc. etc. etc.  These causes stretch all the way back to the Mind of God in creation.  And He knows the end from the beginning.  He is the first 'cause' and continues to 'cause'.  

The WILL of man is not an illusion.  Thinking that will is FREE is the illusion.  It cannot be 'free' and 'caused' at the same time.  It's always caused, and never free.  

You ask if it is important.  It is important if you desire to understand scripture and the nature of God.  It is important if you want to find your place in the universe.  This is HIS world.  We are only creatures.  If you want to know only what shirt to wear today, pick whichever you want.  Maybe you can also understand that 'wanting' is also a cause, and that 'wanting' is also caused.

Take the advise above and study the article with the Scripture in your own language.  Many people struggle with this--some for a long time.  Don't be discouraged.

Good to meet you.  

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