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Free Will? Then How Are We Sinless In Heaven?
Rene:
--- Quote from: Arion on November 20, 2011, 05:52:51 AM ---
With free will they can then justify God in torturing billions of people in the christian hell for all eternity and thereby get God off the hook over it. Once God enables us to drop that fallacy everything else begins to drop in place and makes sense.
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Great point, whereby the truth is just the opposite from what they think. God's sovereignty is what justifies why all will be saved! ;)
René
kencando:
After Satan has been defeated and put away for eternity, and death and the grave are thrown into the lake of fire, there will be nothing to tempt your spirit into sinning. So you could not sin where ever you spend eternity because you will have no concept of good and evil, much like Adam and Eve when they were first created.
Craig:
I'm sorry but that just ain't right. We are being created in God's image to know good and evil. What is the point of our existance if not to learn rightousness? And once we have learned it why would God just throw it all away and make us like Adam and Eve again? If that is the case why does God make us go through this miserable existance in the first place?
We will be made into children of God and we will know good and evil and on top of that we will have been made rightous. Sin will not be a part of our nature, just lilke it is not in God's nature.
Craig
gmik:
If that is the case why does God make us go through this miserable existance in the first place? -craig
to me that is the one million dollar question!!! I don't get why it takes all "this"-I really don't (especially if I were the poor downtrodden slave in a 3rd world nation)
God wants a family-then He could make a family. God wants us to learn evil? Why? Just make us the way He wants us.
(don't mind me I am still ticked from the gals at lunch) >:( (my thread-Free Will again)
Now all these posts are great and I agree but I can never remember to say any of this when I am out and about!! ::)
Arion I like your paradox and I like Ray saying -Free Will yourself out of death! (lol, I can just hear him say that!)
Happy Thanksgiving everyone in case I don't make it back on!
DougE6:
--- Quote ---God wants a family-then He could make a family. God wants us to learn evil? Why? Just make us the way He wants us.
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Because God is wise enough to know that no intelligent powerful being (Sons of God) will REALLY appreciate and Really understand and know the blessing of what He is or has been given unless he has to sweat blood sweat and tears to get it, that we need to aspire and Desire this tremendous gift that He will eventually give all mankind...and to have something to compare it to. That is is why you MUST OVERCOME with all your heart EVEN as we know it is all of God...Until you HATE the weaknesses resident in you, until you DIE to the flesh and the carnal mind...God still has work to do with you! If you are part of the first resurection everyone else will greatly see the incredible chasm between the Sons of God and the unconverted...
Rom 8:19 For the creation waits with eager longing for the revealing of the sons of God.
They will desperately want the release from the bondage to corruption when they see the revelation of the Sons of God.
Rom 8:21 that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to corruption and obtain the freedom of the glory of the children of God.
God will make the rest of creation to greatly desire what we will be!
Eph 2:4 But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us,
Eph 2:5 even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ--by grace you have been saved--
Eph 2:6 and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,
Eph 2:7 so that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.
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