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More "free-will" questions.
odading:
I've ever to wanted to sin.
I did it deliberately consciously without hesitate or any resistant if :
- when I hate someone
- when I get angry
- when I masturbate (pardon me)
- when I lie
- when I speed my car (then hit someone).
Times passed - in the long run
I don't feel the hate to that someone anymore
I don;t think to easily get angry is necessary anymore
I feel too old to regularly masturbate
I see no benefit in lying
Times passed - and in one at a time,
I did it again the list above, deliberately consciously without hesitate or any resistant.
Did I repent ?
If it made someone hurts - I repent.
If those points in the list made me myself miserable, it's all my fault : already knew the consequences but still did it....
then I learn, more responsible, etc.
Thank God for His Grace of life, I experience all the good and bad things.
regards,
odading.
Dave in Tenn:
Odading, I'm sorry, but I did not understand the English in this statement: I've ever to wanted to sin.
Below that, you've given reasons why you may not have wanted to do a sin (or no longer wanted to do so) and managed to not do it--and examples of 'wanting' to sin, and being able. The first situation is common to everyone "learning righteousness", though the reasons may vary. The second one is common to every sinner who wants to sin...often (mostly? always?) they find themselves able. Both of these are discussed fairly often and commonly experienced, at least to some.
What I'm asking is if anybody WITH A DESIRE to commit a sin has found themselves UNABLE to do what they desire. And secondly, if there is anybody who did NOT want to commit a sin, but found themselves sinning anyway. These 'scenarios' don't get discussed as much.
DougE6:
Hi Dave
I can answer you that in my life, God has DEFINITELY intervened sometimes when I WANTED to commit a sin, and He prevented me. And I also can say, YES, MUCH MORE TO MY RECOLLECTION, and much more frequently I think, did I earnestly want to stop sinning in various ways, tried and tried, prayed and still did it, sometimes shortly thereafter, sought and sought, and was unsuccessful...FOR A SEASON. I hesitate to say that I have victory over any sin because God has shown me through this process just how weak and sinful I am; but I want to venture that once in a while I take suddenly notice its been a long time since I have acted or done what used to control me and I just thank God because He eventually did answer my hearts petitions. I really wanted to see righteous fruit.
I told myself and God I don't want to die an old man someday, when my flesh is too weak to do anything, and THEN say..AHA! It works! I am free from sin! LOL ;D NO, NOW when I am still vital I want to be different, and feel changed; then I KNOW it is HIM and not just natural progression of aging making me a milder person. I am NOT saying I am able to resist the temptation, that I have a stronger will or something like that; BUT THE TEMPTATIONS THAT COMPELLED ME SIMPLY NO LONGER EXISTS! Like God rescued after enough wrestling took place.
The flesh has to die, if we are to inherit the Kingdom Of God. How and what this entails will be different(the process) for everybody. But I want to see the fruits of the spirit come forth in my life, and I want to see the works of the flesh diminish and diminish, until they seem like they are gone. That is my hearts desire, anyway.
Dave in Tenn:
Thanks, Doug. Now real-life testimony is building up that these scenarios, at the very least, seem to be possible.
Dave in Tenn:
Thanks, John. Is this the Scripture you are referring to?
Jas 1:14-16 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death. Do not err, my beloved brethren.
Or this one (or both and/or more)?
Mat 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
So the question is moot? It's not possible to 'want to sin' without already having sinned?
Does the clarification I gave Odading make any difference? Has anybody with a desire to commit a sin found themselves UNABLE to do what they desire?
As I said, I'm going to assume no matter the answer that God brought this situation about. I'm also going to assume you haven't had physical sexual relations with most of the women you've seen. :)
I may be ready to drop the first question, and keep the second one, if I can get real-life, practical agreement. Otherwise, it's just theology/philosophy to me.
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