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The book of life questions.
gmik:
Love it Dave. thanks for quoting Ray....I had seen it before but forgot!!
Simple:
In Christ
In the book of Life
Truth96130:
So during the foundation of the world, no one was in the book of life because no one had accepted Christ. How can that be when the book of Revelation 17:8 KJV
....and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder , whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world. All people were not in the BOL during the foundation of the world. Therefor all people will worship the beast?
Revelation 13:8 KJV
And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
This verse is not saying that names were written in the BOL during the foundation of the world. It is simply saying- ..whose names were not written in the book of life from (people were not from the foundation of the world) so the from is not talking about people, it is taking about the BOL, where the BOL is from-from the foundation of the world.
Also people are not in the BOL from (the foundation of the world) because they had yet to accept Jesus and most Christian believe you must first accept Jesus to be saved/in BOL. So when it says from the foundation of the world is is not talking about the names but the BOL. The BOL was from the foundations of the world and (not people) who accepted Christ. And if they did accept Christ during the foundations of the wold then some should remember doing that. It would also mean many people are already saved and we do not need to spread the gospel to them because they got saved during the foundation of the world. How did that happen when they were not born yet? The only logical conclusion is that no one was written in the BOL during the foundation of the world.
People worship the beast if (they had not yet accepted Jesus) and Jesus was from the foundations of the earth.
Kat:
Hi truth96130,
--- Quote ---Also people are not in the BOL from (the foundation of the world) because they had yet to accept Jesus and most Christian believe you must first accept Jesus to be saved/in BOL.
--- End quote ---
Yes this is what the church teaches, that you must accept Jesus Christ as your Savior and then your name will be written in the Book of Life. But what does the Scriptures say?
John 6:44 No one can come to Me unless the Father who has sent Me draw him, and I will raise him up at the last day.
This Scripture shows that we do not have the freedom of will to accept Christ, but it is only when God has determined and "draws" us that we will have our eyes opened. That's when those who were predetermined from the foundation of the world come to know Christ, who is the Book of Life, can come to Christ. Those who are chosen and who will be in the first resurrection were determined when God worked out His plan, and that plan was set from the foundation of the world.
2Tim 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God stands sure, having this seal: "The Lord knew those who are His." And, "Let everyone who names the name of Christ depart from iniquity!"
John 10:27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me.
v. 28 And I give to them eternal life, and they shall never ever perish, and not anyone shall pluck them out of My hand.
v. 29 My Father who gave them to Me is greater than all, and no one is able to pluck them out of My Father's hand.
v. 30 I and the Father are one!
God already knows every single human being that will ever be born, as He determines all things.
Eph 1:11 In Him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of Him who works all things according to the counsel of His will,
So those chosen to be in the Book of Life and the first resurrection are pre-determined. They are born and prepared throughtout their lives to serve a particular place in the kingdom, just as all of the chosen are being brought about to build/prepare the kingdom into just what God has determined it would be from the foundation of the world.
John 14:1 Let not your heart be troubled. You believe in God, believe also in Me.
v. 2 In My Father's house are many mansions; if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
v. 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself, so that where I am, you may be also.
Mat 25:34 Then the King shall say to those on His right hand, Come, blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.
Rev 21:2 And I, John, saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down from God out of Heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her Husband.
v. 3 And I heard a great voice out of Heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they will be His people, and God Himself will be with them and be their God.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
Ireland:
Interesting and thoughtful question. I do not have access to the scriptures at this very second, but have been pondering this alot lately. My thoughts on the scriptures that deal with this issue are being challenged. My prayer is to see this more clearly. The word seems to state that the Elect were in him before the foundation of the world, and Israel was his beloved wife from the foundation. Maybe this has something to do with this topic, but maybe I am off a little. There will come a time when the times of the Gentiles is fulfilled and Israel will be restored. God has not forgotten about his wife. We are his body and will rule in the heavens right? Who will be ruling on this earth? Not teaching here, but thinking about many verses that speak of these deep subjects. I look forward to others input.
JohnMichael:
Hi Truth96130,
Here are other verses that are applicable to your question:
(WNT)
1Co 15:22 For just as through Adam all die, so also through Christ all will be made alive again.
1Co 15:23 But this will happen to each in the right order--Christ having been the first to rise, and afterwards Christ's people rising at His return.
Rom 9:21 Or has not the potter rightful power over the clay to make out of the same lump one vessel for more honourable and another for less honourable uses?
Rom 9:22 And what if God, while choosing to make manifest the terrors of His anger and to show what is possible with Him, has yet borne with long-forbearing patience with the subjects of His anger who stand ready for destruction,
Rom 9:23 in order to make known His infinite goodness towards the subjects of His mercy whom He has prepared beforehand for glory,
Hope this helps.
In Him,
John
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