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Poor in spirit
bluzman:
On Sept 6,2009, I posted a question on Spirit.
To this day I have no more of an idea of how to explain what that means than I did before I posted.
Someone, can't recall, maybe Einstein, said that if one really understands something, then they should be able to explain to their grandmother.
I cannot understand how magnets attract or repel one another. I cannot understand electricity. I have welded for many years with electric and gas torches. How long I have looked at that arc through a 2x4 lens and watched a puddle of metal flowing, time wise, I don't know. Hundreds of hours. I have to believe that it really is God forming these metals together, and somewhere past the electron and protons there are the building blocks of the Universe, namely God.
" With God's Help I was born into a poor family". Jewish author unknown.
P.s. I hope that I am part of this poor family.
GaryK:
--- Quote from: Kat on December 19, 2011, 05:22:19 PM ---
Hi gk, I was looking for where Ray spoke about "increments"... I don't think he was speaking about the Holy Spirit coming in increments or at least I couldn't find where he did. But here is a place he did use 'increments' to explain something.
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php?topic=3849.0 ------------------------
Jesus Christ never converted a person in His whole ministry. It’s just amazing. If you said that in a church they’d be throwing rotten tomatoes at you. But in His whole ministry Jesus Christ never converted one person! Not one!
The 11 second sinner’s prayer… they have not a clue what they are talking about!!
When came around Pentecost time though, a whole bunch of them were converted, about 120 of them. But Christ was leading them up to that. And He’s probably leading some of us up to that.
All these things take a lifetime. We’re going to live "the seals." A third part of the man died... that’s a third part of the man in us that is going to die, a third part of the carnality. God works in increments, He wipes out some of the trees and then He burns some of the grass… what is the trees and the grass? These are all things in us. We have islands, and mountains, and trees, and grass. All of these are belief systems and ideas and doctrines and philosophies of life and all these things. And they are all going to be burned out and broken down and destroyed. All of those seven seals, seven trumpets, seven plagues, they are all things that must happen in our lives.
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So here Ray was speaking of how the burning out the carnality comes in increments. The Holy Spirit us given to the Elect now as a earnest, that is a promise/guarantee of being in the first resurrect at Christ's return. So I think the earnest gives us all we need now to be prepared and we will fully receive/know only when we are resurrected into the kingdom.
1Co 13:12 For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part, but then I shall fully know even as I also am fully known.
Here is a email with more on this earnest of the Spirit.
http://www.forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,2619.0.html --------------------------
The Spirit of Christ is eternal, and when we have the Spirit of Christ we have eternal life in us. But....BUT,
we have only the "earnest" of that spirit, and it will not keep our physical bodies from dying. But when we have the earnest of God's spirit, it is proof that there is more to come: "In Whom you also trusted after that you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in Whom also after that you believed, you were SEALED WITH THAT HOLY SPIRIT OF PROMISE. Which is the EARNEST of our inheritance UNTIL [not now; not yet, but later] the redemption of the purchased POSSESSION, unto the praise of His glory" (Eph. 1:13-14).
And that takes place at the resurrection of the saints at the last trump. One more point: although we are promised "eonian" life, nonethless, the spirit that gives us "immortality," IS ETERNAL.
God be with you,
Ray
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Hi Kat,
Knowing NOW that god doesn't give us his spirit in increments has destroyed the foundation of my belief in BT, Ray, and this forum. Unfortunately I'll now have to re-re-convert and go back to attending the snake-handling-demon-whipping seminars and suppers...thereof....on Wednesdays, local baptist time.
;D ;D ;D
Read this, I'm pretty sure it's where I got the 'increments' from, not that it's right that I intrepreted it as 'increments' but I've been known to call geese.....ducks
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php?topic=10467.0
Dear Beth:
The "Kingdom of God" also known as the "Kingdom of the heavenS," is God'd domain, where He resides. To the degree that we have God's Spirit is the degree to which we reside in this Kingdom. At present we are merely begotten, awaiting a new birth into His Kingdom. This Kingdom has no end after the physical has passed away. Etc. Too big a subject for an email.
God be with you,
Ray"
Not sure how this helps anyone understand the 'poor in spirit', but consider it another morsel for discussion.............or not.
Deborah-Leigh:
....we repent in increments....http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,3709.0.html
We mature, gradually.
To the degree that we have God's Spirit, might be saying to the degree that we have matured or repented....~
I don't see God, standing there with a test tube, from which one drop at a time, of His Spirit into given to us....yet it could be said, that is what it feels like sometimes.... relatively speaking. ~ :D
Like waking up in the morning. You might be lying in bed fast asleep and then you wake up....s-l-o-w-l-y...~ :D ;D...not fully dressed and on your feet ready to get married the same day, like happened to Eve LOL...~ ;D...okay...okay...she wasn't clothed...~ :D
Hang in there gk....I think you're on to something good!
Deborah-Leigh:
Thank you for sharing your research Moises. 8) ;D
I particularly enjoyed from point 7 ..."that which constitutes a person's intangible being..."
The lust of the flesh is for the TANGIBLES...the literal visible forms of car, house, status associated with bank account accumulations, aquisitions of flesh and forms of flesh etc...
The intangible being, is certainly the attitudes of love joy and peace etc!
Blessings
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