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How do we know if we're converted?
River:
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--- Quote from: Gina on December 17, 2011, 05:05:32 PM ---That's probably the stupidest question, but I have to ask. Thank you for your responses.
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When you no longer have the desire to do the carnal activities you enjoyed once before. Being converted works in increments, God giving you the victory over one vice at a time.
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How is one to know when it is "no longer" since one can't live eternally? What then of those who don't have a desire so say for 20 years and then one day it changes? And since we are carnal creatures with a physical organ called the brain and this chemistry can be changed due to life changes, injury etc. how can it be judged on "desire"? Is not desire a carnal attribute?
Deborah-Leigh:
....do good; so shalt thou dwell in the land, and verily thou shalt be fed.
Psa 37:4 Delight thyself also in THE LORD; and HE SHALL GIVE THEE THE DESIRES OF THINE HEART. ~ 8) :)
Php 2:13 For it is God Who Works in you, both to WILL and to DO of His Good Pleasure ~ ;D
How do you know when you "no longer" have the desire to do the carnal activities you enjoyed once before?
You don't enjoy them anymore!
Why?
Because....while you walked in the ways of this world and obeyed the Prince of the powers of the air, the spirits that are now at work in the hearts of the sons of disobedience--to you God has given Life.
Eph 2:3 Among them all of us also formerly passed our lives, governed by the inclinations of our lower natures, indulging the cravings of those natures and of our own thoughts, and were in our original state deserving of anger like all others.
jopie:
Hi Gena
I Experience salvation or being converted as a process, which might be different from the way that anybody else experiences it.
I was like Peter and said, "I will never deny you Lord." And then the Lord turned to the rest of his disciples and said, "And you will all leave me."
I had to leave the Lord, (sort of come to the end of my rope) before I could come back and He gave me a new heart.
He is teaching me that there is nothing of me and my efforts that is of any use to Him.
He must increase and I must decrease, and that has been my daily experience.
It was at that time that the Scriptures started to become alive and meaningful and thus my hunger for the Word increased.
I began to see with a single eye. (Matthew 6:22)
Seeing beyond what I saw and able to love like I was never able to love before.
These are all things that I as a christian had been striving for all my live.
And so the journey goes, each one has a unique one, we learn from each other and encourage each other.
Hope this makes some sense.
Thank you for posting that question.
In His love,
John.
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: River on December 18, 2011, 09:18:30 PM --- How is one to know when it is "no longer" since one can't live eternally? What then of those who don't have a desire so say for 20 years and then one day it changes?
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As to your first question, when one receives immortality, they will live forever. Death will have no more power over them.
As to your 2nd question, Christ said that he who endures 'to the end' will be saved. The end is when you have been through God's judgments and are made righteous.
--- Quote from: River on December 18, 2011, 09:18:30 PM --- And since we are carnal creatures with a physical organ called the brain and this chemistry can be changed due to life changes, injury etc. how can it be judged on "desire"? Is not desire a carnal attribute?
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No, desire is not a carnal attribute. It is what you desire that condemns one to sin.
Hope this helps,
Marques
Gina:
Marques:
--- Quote ---No, desire is not a carnal attribute. It is what you desire that condemns one to sin.
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Yes, "...and the books were opened."
Revelation 20:12
And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
And as Alex/lilitalianboi said, "desires."
Man, when your "book" is opened and you can see inside your heart, and you find you don't like what you see there, but you realize you can't do anything about it, that is flipping disappointing to say the least.
Here comes da judge... He comes da judge...
When we no longer have a desire to do the things we once did, it's as if we've gone from being completely okay with soiling our diapers to desiring to use the bathroom. ;D Though, some kids have to be practically "dragged" to the bathroom by their parents, kicking and screaming, "But I don't wannaaaaa..."
Then, we get to the place where we actually prefer to use the bathroom, and then we actually find that we do use it, because the other way is uncomfortable because it's messy and embarrassing. :P
Gee, if only most things in life were so easily converted.
:D :D :D :D :D
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