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How do we know if we're converted?
Rob M:
--- Quote from: Gina on December 26, 2011, 09:58:58 PM ---Indeed, Deb. Peace and quiet comes after the party. You get it.
I got a bit of a revelation last night when I was turning in for the night. I realized that we know we're converted when we would rather be on the forum reading and learning than doing our will.
Marques said, we know we're converted when we no longer have the desire to do the carnal activities you enjoyed once before.
And that's certainly true, except that we have to go one MAJOR step beyond that, and actually do the activities we desire--the ones that line up with what God desires we do. And the only way that's going to happen is when God works in us to will and to do His good pleasure (Phil 2:13) I realized last night that I get more joy and satisfaction out of this forum than I do other things and my behavior is actually changing. That ol' diaper analogy at work here.
YEAH!
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I'm confused because everything we do is a carnal activity is it not? Or do you mean we just sin less and less.
Gina:
Hi, Rob
No, I don't believe everything we do is a carnal activity. I may be wrong but, when we're praying for others, that's not carnal, is it? When we're encouraging / edifying others via the forum, that's not carnal, is it?
It's like Marques said, we don't desire to do those things as we used to, and as I said because we desire to do things that are Godly. We'll never be completely sin free while still in the flesh, but God can get us to this point if He wills:
Rom 6:12 Let not sin therefore reign [to RULE your life in your
mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
That's a good thing.
Kat:
Hi Rob,
It is true that it is just not in this flesh to do good, as Paul said.
Rom 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) dwells no good thing. For to will is present with me, but how to perform that which is good I do not find.
How can we escape this body of death?
James 2:26 For as the body apart from the spirit is dead, so also faith apart from works is dead.
Rom 7:24 O wretched man that I am! Who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
v. 25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then with the mind I myself serve the Law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin.
If the Holy Spirit is indwelling then we can produce good works/fruit, that Spirit will do it in us and through us.
John 15:4 Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself unless it remains in the vine, so neither can you unless you abide in Me.
v. 5 I am the Vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, the same brings forth much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing.
Mat 5:16 In the same way, let your light shine before others, so that they may see your good works and give glory to your Father who is in heaven.
Now I do not believe that means that there is no other good works in the world, besides what the Elect do. Because God's Spirit moves and works throughtout the whole world 'with' (but not indwelling) people as He sees fit. Not all works will be burned up in the Lake of Fire either, the good will remain.
1Co 3:11 For no one can lay a foundation other than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
v. 12 Now if anyone builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw--
v. 13 each one's work will become manifest, for the Day will disclose it, because it will be revealed by fire, and the fire will test what sort of work each one has done.
v. 14 If the work that anyone has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward.
v. 15 If anyone's work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire.
v. 16 Do you not know that you are God's temple and that God's Spirit dwells in you?
So it is only those Elect that is in Christ and He in them, that these works/fruit are being developed at this time towards them being prepare for the first resurrection.
John 17:20 I do not ask for these only, but also for those who will believe in Me through their word,
v. 21 that they may all be one, just as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You, that they also may be in Us, so that the world may believe that you have sent Me.
v. 22 The glory that you have given Me I have given to them, that they may be one even as We are one,
v. 23 I in them and You in Me, that they may become perfectly one, so that the world may know that you sent Me and loved them even as You loved Me.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
Deborah-Leigh:
"The motive is the deed."
If a heart is self seeking, it may perform deeds that appear self sacrificing.
Tit 1:16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.
If a heart is God seeking, then deeds that follow will show the Glory of God and by consequence others seeing such good works shall glorify God in the day of their visitation.
1Pe 2:12 Having your conversation honest among the Gentiles: that, whereas they speak against you as evildoers, they may by your good works, which they shall behold, glorify God in the day of visitation.
Arc
Gina:
--- Quote ---1Pe 2:12 Having your conversation honest among the Gentiles: that, whereas they speak against you as evildoers, they may by your good works, which they shall behold, glorify God in the day of visitation.
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