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How do we know if we're converted?
santikos:
I am not sure if someone posted it yet, but i do remember in one of ray's papers he mentioned that after 3 years with Jesus, peter was not converted. He was converted after spending time seeing, handling, and eating with the Master. I am sure for some it will take alot of time. But if i was perfect in this life i would not need God.
Gina:
--- Quote from: santikos on December 29, 2011, 08:32:34 AM ---I am not sure if someone posted it yet, but i do remember in one of ray's papers he mentioned that after 3 years with Jesus, peter was not converted. He was converted after spending time seeing, handling, and eating with the Master. I am sure for some it will take alot of time. But if i was perfect in this life i would not need God.
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That's very true, Peter wasn't converted until after Jesus rose from the dead and breathed on the disciples. I remember that Ray said that, too, except, Peter while converted wasn't sin-free (perfected). No one can be perfected in the flesh, but we can be converted. So you just brought out a very good point for me to ponder. Thank you, Santikos! :)
Tobias:
It is a gift. This is what people need to accept.
Ephesians 2:8,9 are pretty clear. It's not something we can boast about. Choosing to do this over that certainly is boast worthy so I don't see as a stipulation for salvation... It is more evidence by way of physical manifestation of our salvation.
Some could argue that belief is evidence enough of our salvation. After all, belief is a gift.
I'm new here... But that's how I see it.
Gina:
--- Quote from: Tobias on December 29, 2011, 04:14:59 PM ---It is a gift. This is what people need to accept.
Ephesians 2:8,9 are pretty clear. It's not something we can boast about. Choosing to do this over that certainly is boast worthy so I don't see as a stipulation for salvation... It is more evidence by way of physical manifestation of our salvation.
Some could argue that belief is evidence enough of our salvation. After all, belief is a gift.
I'm new here... But that's how I see it.
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That's a great way to see it! :) :D
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