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Rene:
--- Quote from: Samson on January 01, 2012, 10:08:41 AM ---
I fully agree with John's statement, Also living with a Woman without Marriage might constitute "An Appearance of Evil," towards those Neighbors & the Community. In other words, even if the Male & Female are living together and not having Sex, the feelings & consciences of others would be affected, at least those that know about it.
My contribution to this thread, That's all folks, Samson.[/color]
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I like and appreciate your contribution, Samson. :)
René
octoberose:
I don't want to take the thread where it didn't begin, but I've been deciding weather to comment or leave well enough alone. Let me try this. God will be all in all, God will transform us and redeem our sins. Only God can do this. Now, where does my accountability begin? If I'm not walking in the Way of God, and I purposely do this, I am accountable. As Ray says, God is still responsible for us, but we are accountable. Jesus died a horrible death to redeem me and when I sin, I do not want to be comforted. I want to repent, and turn around and head the other way- straight to Jesus! So, if you hear me on this forum engage in willful, sinful behavior, TELL ME.
Am I reading into it, or do I keep hearing, "All is of God" as if our sin doesn't really matter- as if to say, "Stain the garment, all you want, it will come out in the wash". The wash is blood, the sacrifice of the Lamb. It is a terrible price to pay for my stain. And listen, I stain it. I know I do, from fear and thoughts and eating and unbelief. I really do stain it. But I don't want to, and if I have a prayer for this year it is to be transformed by Jesus becoming all and me becoming nothing.
I have a lost and willful son. I would love it if he even stopped to wonder about his behavior and sought counsel the way Dre did. But he's not there, in that place where it matters and where conscience prickles. It kills me every day, and yes, I see God in the middle of this. But I let the sorrow define me and I've got to work on that too.
olasupo jacobs:
Mat_12:39 And he answering said to them, `A generation, evil and adulterous, doth seek a sign, and a sign shall not be given to it, except the sign of Jonah the prophet;
Mat_16:4 `A generation evil and adulterous doth seek a sign, and a sign shall not be given to it, except the sign of Jonah the prophet;' and having left them he went away.
Mar_8:38 for whoever may be ashamed of me, and of my words, in this adulterous and sinful generation, the Son of Man also shall be ashamed of him, when he may come in the glory of his Father, with the holy messengers.'
Mat_5:28 but I--I say to you, that every one who is looking on a woman to desire her, did already commit adultery with her in his heart.
Mat_5:32 but I--I say to you, that whoever may put away his wife, save for the matter of whoredom, doth make her to commit adultery; and whoever may marry her who hath been put away doth commit adultery.
pls don't b offended by this secular saying " an erected manhood has no conscience" is true as regarding cohabiting with d opposite sex. Body chemistry is heighten by proximity, except your are "graced" of the Lord you can't escape sexual temptation .The mere sight of gorgeous, voluptuous or well chiseled body can make one's fantasy to rise. of all sins why is the sexual related ones seems to be easily succumb to?....because its more appealling and promises gratification for the flesh...more so its something that starts from the heart(which is exceedingly weak by design from the creator...according to ray too weak to resist sin)..IMO it is good not to "touch" a woman as Paul Advised talk much less co-habit/live/or become close for many reasons.... the law of sin and death is easier to obey than d law of spirit of life in Christ....really it is God himself who can deliver us from being evil and adulterous which is the norm in this age that we are now. THERE IS A GREATER TENDECY THAT U WILL HAVE SEX WITH THE OPPOSITE SEX IN A CONFINED ENVIRONMENT JUST BECAUSE THE CLOSENESS FAVOURS "LIBIDINOUS" & "TESTOTERONIC" EXCITEMENTS THAT PROMISES A SHORT TERM GRATIFICATION OVER DOING WHAT IS RIGHT/GOOD IN GOD'S SIGHT.
There is a "heart-o-meter" called the conscience that judges us instantly whether we are right or wrong in all situations...the stronger believer knows the consequences and ramification of their actions while the baby believer can be excused on account of his ignorance...but not for too long
River:
Hey Samson,
I have read all the material on this subject. But you know I can't really respond. I really wish the focus could be more on the higher spiritual application of marriage according to what I see in the scriptures. Your keeping it on the level of carnal sex, not I.
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: River on December 30, 2011, 08:58:16 PM ---And with saying this I don't approve of just having sex for whatever reason, but I also think it is totally silly to think it is somehow legit just because someone is "married." I really hope others are able to see the depth of that statement. For me marriage has nothing to do with sex. Doesn't anyone see the deeper meaning of this parable? :-\
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1. Marriage is a commitment, not just a ceremony. The ceremony only symbolizes the commitment between husband & wife. It's not just a piece of paper, but rather a contract to represent the commitment. Ray talks about this extensively in the 'What is Marriage' bible study (http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,5675.0.html).
2. Yes, marriage is a parable of a higher truth. The same way a husband and wife commit to one another, Christ and His Elect commit to one another.
3. Sex within a marriage is also a parable of a higher truth. During sex, a man and a woman are inside each other's bodies. This is similar to Jesus' words, 'Abide in me, and I in you' [John 15:4].
4. So the question remains, what does sex outside of a marriage commitment represent? What does sex represent between 2 people NOT committed to one another?
First, understand this about God:
Ex 34:14 For you shall worship no other god, for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God
Deut 32:21 They have provoked Me to jealousy by what is not God; They have moved Me to anger by their foolish idols...
Excerpt from 'Worship in Spirit & Truth (http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php?topic=5312.0):
Now if you look at the word jealous, there is any number of carnal humanistic definitions for the word jealous, none of which apply to God. But there is one that applies to God and that is, intolerant of disloyalty or infidelity. He is totally intolerant to anything that is disloyal or any infidelity.
Jealous means - intolerant of disloyalty or infidelity.
Loyalty means - steadfast and faithful.
Infidelity means - lack of loyalty.
Faithful means - worthy of trust, reliable, consistent with TRUTH.
God is a jealous God in that He doesn’t tolerate anything less than this in disloyalty and infidelity.
We’ve talked about infidelity in marriage, if you cheat on your mate, that is infidelity. There is no sexual connotation with God, but with God it has to do with being loyal with what He says you should do or shouldn’t do.
Is this starting to come together yet? God does not tell us to abstain from sex outside of marriage just because. It's not some 'old-fashioned' doctrine of men.
Sharing your body with only your spouse is a sign of loyalty. Not just to your soon-to-be spouse but to the God you serve.
Sharing your body with anyone outside of your spouse is the EXACT OPPOSITE. It is a sign of infidelity, of disloyalty.
So whether you want to talk about a physical marriage, the physical act of sex, etc or rather what they represent at a 'higher spiritual application', the fact remains that sex outside of marriage is an act of infidelity and disloyalty. And the God we serve is a 'jealous' God, One who is intolerant of disloyalty and infidelity.
I read a good comment from Ray in a recent post: 'It's hard to obey Jesus until you begin to see the value in doing so'. And that is at the heart of these marriage/sex/co-habitating questions. Those who see no value in the commitment of marriage, no value in abstaining oneself from sexual activity until marriage, etc. will always look under any nook and cranny for a reason out of it. I know because I look to the same whenever I'm faced with an admonishment to stop doing something that I want to do. We all do, that's what makes us human. But that doesn't make it right.
Marques
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