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questions. weighing heavily on my heart
Revilonivek:
I never noticed this till now. Paul referred Jesus as the great God and Saviour. Titus 2:13.
Thomas referred Jesus as Lord and God, John 20:28
I understand that..
so...my question is. if Jesus is the Father come down to Earth in a disguise, leading a life as a devoted follower of God. to help set an example for others to follow. doesn't this sound like hindu's belief that God sometimes come down as a follower of God to help guide others? as God incarnate as a follower of God?
My second question is this...scripture is clear that Jesus is the yahweh God of the old testament. why the brutality?approving of killing, rape of women and children of other tribes not of God. killing pregnant women, babies and young children. its not their fault. they were born in different cultures, destroyed towns and all inhabitants in it if one or two was practicing a different religion. and they treated women as property, ruling his people with an iron fist. very strict and demands blood of innocent animals to cover people's sin and soothe Gods anger and now Jesus rules with mercy and compassion in the new testament and He himself was the God of the old testament? Bible says he never changes but this is obvious he changed?
sorry about asking you guys these questions. they are weighing very heavy on my heart.
lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: Revilonivek on January 12, 2012, 03:57:59 PM ---I never noticed this till now. Paul referred Jesus as the great God and Saviour. Titus 2:13.
Thomas referred Jesus as Lord and God, John 20:28
I understand that..
so...my question is. if Jesus is the Father come down to Earth in a disguise, leading a life as a devoted follower of God. to help set an example for others to follow. doesn't this sound like hindu's belief that God sometimes come down as a follower of God to help guide others? as God incarnate as a follower of God?
My second question is this...scripture is clear that Jesus is the yahweh God of the old testament. why the brutality?approving of killing, rape of women and children of other tribes not of God. killing pregnant women, babies and young children. its not their fault. they were born in different cultures, destroyed towns and all inhabitants in it if one or two was practicing a different religion. and they treated women as property, ruling his people with an iron fist. very strict and demands blood of innocent animals to cover people's sin and soothe Gods anger and now Jesus rules with mercy and compassion in the new testament and He himself was the God of the old testament? Bible says he never changes but this is obvious he changed?
sorry about asking you guys these questions. they are weighing very heavy on my heart.
--- End quote ---
There was an email one time about this in where ray said, they are NOT easy to explain. I think he was studying the matter himself but don't quote me on this. I could be misrepresenting what ray said.
As for Jesus being His own Father, I don't think that's true. I just think that Jesus is really Jesus, that His Father is greater than Him, that He was created, that He has a beginning but His Father does not etc.. BUT in being the very image of God, The image of His Father, it makes Him the One God, one WITH God. This is how, after that long thread of "Will we ever see the Father" and after what I've learned and what Kat said, that I have reconciled the nature of the Father and the Son.
I'm sure someone else, who can probably quote ray on what you are asking, will come along and leave a timely answer. I think we all wonder about this issue... maybe ray will discuss this in his new paper if it ever comes out. lol
Those are my thoughts! Sorry I can't be of more help.
God bless,
Alex
lilitalienboi16:
ok found the email I was referring about for you! Hope this helps a bit.
SRC: http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,13712.msg120625.html#msg120625
Hi Ray,
It's been awhile since I have emailed you so I hope your health
condition has improved or is at least tolerable.
Just a quick question/concern which I hope you will be able to help
me out with. This friend of mine, who is not a believer, sometimes in
conversation will bring up my faith. One topic I have had a hard time
defending is the Old Testament. I know God had some tough
commandaments which included some harsh and violent punishments on
people throughout the Old Testament. My friend would constantly quote
random scriptures in the Old Testament and say to me "you believe in a
God that would command this or do that?"
Ray, this is one area I haven't fully grasped enough to explain.
What happened in the Old Testament doesn't really hurt my faith but
how can I put it into prospective for him to understand?
Thank you Ray for whatever answer you can provide,
Your brother Matthew
Dear Matthew:
Thank you for your concern for my health. Actually it has gotten
considerably worse the past month. I can hardly walk now.
Concerning your "quick question," Matthew, I almost have to
chuckle. Your quick question is the single most difficult question
in all theology to answer. You say this is "one area that I haven't
fully grasped enough to explain." Matthew, there is not a teacher
or theologian on earth who has "fully grasped" this topic. No one
has an adequate answer for this question, and to even discuss
it would take fifty or a hundred pages. Certainly not something
that could be answered quickly in an email. I have some thoughts
on the subject, but nothing that I wish to discuss at this time. There
are times that we really do have to live by faith and not sight. Hope
you understand.
God be with you,
Ray
thetruth:
Hello,Revilonivek
Trying to be of some help...So this is what I got.
Question:
1.Basically you are asking "HOW can God perform MIRACLES?" That really is the heart and core of your question--think about it. Obviously God can't die, that is why it was necessary for Jesus to "empty" Himself of His prior glories. But then you will ask: "But just how did He do that?" There are billions and billions of things that God has not yet told us,
Question:
2.Knowing "good and evil" is an essential part of "being like God," hence He
creates good and evil for our experience. Failure, futility, sin and death is a
part of the "knowledge of evil." It is necessary that we fail in order that we
may succeed. God did not complete his plan of "making man in His Own Image"
back in Genesis. It was merely the first stage. What we call "life" is God's
plan for "making manking into His Own Spiritual Image
octoberose:
I can imagine why this troubles you. Maybe answering it is foolish, and I have no answer, but only some comments.
Jesus came as one of us-he was as much Mary's son as my son is to me. I never thought of him in 'disguise'.
In the O.T. its's taken me a while to understand that Jesus is the One relating to the people. And the sacrifice of animals laid the foundation for understanding Jesus as the Lamb of sacrifice.
What do we know about the nature of God? We know He is love. We know He is Soverign. We know His ways are far above our ways. We know He does not think as we think. In Job 38 God is speaking to Job and if he was a human being I'd say he was irritated. He said "Where were you when I laid the earth's foundation? All of Chapters 38 and 39 are a wonder of God and who He is and how this earth follows His plans. Then in Chapter 40 it reads, "Will the one who contends with the Almighty correct him? Let him who accuses God answer him!". v8' "would you discredit my justice? Would you condem me to justify yourself? Finally in chap. 42, Job says to God, "Surely I spoke of things I did not understand, things too wonderful for me to know.
Remember that Job spoke those words when he was in great pain and great grief. Still, he had come to a place of praise.
So, I guess that's what I think. There are many things we don't know, and we have to trust Him.
Bless you and that little one in the picture. I love babies!
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