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Kat:

Hi Octoberose,

I found something that might be what you are talking about in the Biblestudy 'Does All means All.'

http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,5605.msg45175.html ----------------

Notice this verse in Jeremiah. I covered this in my first series on ‘Hell’ - Hell Is A Hoax. 

Jer 32:35  And they built the high places of Baal, which are in the valley of the son of Hinnom, to cause their sons and their daughters to pass through the fire unto Molech; which I commanded them not, neither came it into my mind (Heb. - heart), that they should do this abomination, to cause Judah to sin.

The Hebrew word for mind is heart, it certainly came into His mind... He knew they would do it, but there was no emotional pleasure in His heart, that they did this abomination. What? God is telling us that it never entered His mind (Heb. - heart), that people should burn in fire. That’s an abomination to Him. Yet we are told He is going to burn people in fire, for all eternity? God calls it an abomination! God is going to perform an abomination? For all eternity? Can you not see where the church blasphemes the name of God at every turn. 
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mercy, peace and love
Kat

octoberose:
THANK you! Jeremiah 7:31 was the specific verse I was looking for! I kept thinking Kings instead.
 
--- Quote from: Moises on January 17, 2012, 03:17:41 AM ---
Usually talking-discuss with a minister is like expecting that someone whom speak one language (that it is not English) suddenly start understanding English. First he have to desire to learn the English language , and second he needs to put him self on a lower position of student and realize that most of what he was taught to be ''English'' before, was wrong.

But most ministers doesn't have the guts to admit they are wrong, are not used to be students anymore, and doesn't even care to learn the rightl language.   

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I understand your view point and it is very often true. But this is a little different. I've heard him question the concept of eternal (he didn't seem sold on an age, but he seemed open to it), I've heard him question hell, though he can't get all the way to believing against it, and then I heard an entire sermon on how Jesus is the God of the old testament. I was pretty stunned. But, and it's a big but, he's an open theist which means he believes that God is confined to time (as I understand this) and also that Satan can thwart the will of God at times. That's a big old but. He accepts the concepts in a book called God at War which attempts to solve the good and evil problem.
 Because of BT I understand  Lucifer is not Satan, that God made Satan as an adversary, and that God created evil (and let's Satan do his work).This is I think the basic problem with him. You may ask why it's important to me and the truth is that I feel as 'called' to minister to  church as some of you to minister through this website. I'm in an unusual circumstance because my husband is a retired military chaplain and part of being his wife is going to church with him. The blessing for me is that, although he doesn't see eye to eye with me, he has no objection to me speaking what I believe is true. And though I know we are called out of Babylon, I really feel called out. I feel very different- it's just my body that sits with everyone else. Kind of like worshipping with God, and not forsaking the assembly as we talked about in a thread yesterday.
 So, if you think about it you can pray for me as I try to express God's Truth to a group who think they know it- though they have no governing body and they are free to believe as they want. I appreciate their selflessness- there's a lot of feeding the poor and giving to people who can't pay us back or knows who we are. I appreciate that. I've seen forgiveness when some would have held a grudge, and they never ask for a tithe- an offering, but not a tithe. So, for right now, this is where I am and I truly believe I can speak and maybe bring some comfort and information to those who seek it.
 Thank you all again.

cjwood:

--- Quote from: octoberose on January 17, 2012, 07:19:30 PM ---
...That's a big old but.







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just wanted to remind you octoberose to watch out for the "big old buts"!

i have enjoyed this thread, and especially rereading those sections of writings by ray.  i have followed your journey octoberose, regarding your situation with your husband.  i pray that God uses you as He sees fit.  keep studying His scriptures, and reading through the plethora of things ray has written about, and when/if you need to speak to others in the church you attend, the Lord will give you the words through His Spirit. 

claudia

octoberose:
Thank you CJ, that's very kind of you.  :)

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