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The knowledge of good and evil
mavis92379:
Im trying to understand better just what this verse is saying.
Gen 2:9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
Before Adam and Eve ate of the tree of knowledge of good and evil what type of knowledge did they have ? Adam had no understanding of anything that was good and evil or was it all relative to his knowledge of his sinful condition ? It seems that his spiritual condition prior to eating of the tree could in fact have been worse than his condition after. Before he had eaten he had no shame of his nakedness after he eats it appears he had begun to see his need to cover himself.
Heb 5:14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
It seems as if the knowledge in this tree is ONLY in reference to Adams nakedness. The law not to eat was just the strength to have Adams senses excercised to discern his condition.
1Co 15:56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
1Co 15:56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
Deborah-Leigh:
Excellent fielding JFK! 8)
I guess then, mavis92379...you are spot on :) to say, quote :
It seems that his spiritual condition prior to eating of the tree could in fact have been worse than his condition after
Gen 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil:....
Arc
mavis92379:
It was really eye opening when I first learned this truth that Adam was indeed going to die before he sinned. I am know looking at the verses in chapter 3 where God pronounces curses on the serpent, women and man. Just what is this serpent speaking with the women ? I know it is satan the devil but it what way was he speaking with the women ? By literally possessing a snake that spoke with her ? Was it perhaps another person ? Ray has alluded that perhaps Adam and Eve were not the only people there and God asking , WHO told you you were naked seems to imply SOMEONE ELSE besides them was there. Im really have just been perplexed about how much there is in these chapters.
God says to the serpent BECAUSE YOU HAVE DONE THIS CURSED ARE YOU !!! Well what was he before he did this ?
The women He says - Increased pains in childbirth, desire is towards your husband and he will rule over you. What was it like before this ? Was Eve going to give birth to children without pain ?
The concept is hard to follow after learning that there was death before the transgression.
Where there really no thorn bushes before God pronounced this curse on the ground ? Im not following this at all.
Kat:
Hi mavis,
--- Quote --- Just what is this serpent speaking with the women ? I know it is satan the devil but it what way was he speaking with the women ? By literally possessing a snake that spoke with her ? Was it perhaps another person ? Ray has alluded that perhaps Adam and Eve were not the only people there and God asking , WHO told you you were naked seems to imply SOMEONE ELSE besides them was there. Im really have just been perplexed about how much there is in these chapters.
God says to the serpent BECAUSE YOU HAVE DONE THIS CURSED ARE YOU !!! Well what was he before he did this ?
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Here are a couple of places where Ray speaks about Satan.
http://bible-truths.com/lake2.html --------------------------------
WHENCE SATAN THE DEVIL?
According to Christendom, Satan created himself. He was supposedly a perfect archangel and then CHANGED HIMSELF INTO A DEVIL. Is this Scripturally true? Who created Satan?
You are of your FATHER the DEVIL [the GREAT DRAGON, OLD SERPENT, the DEVIL, and SATAN {Hebrew for Adversary -- I Pet. 5:8} Rev. 12:9], and the lusts of your father ye will do... He was a murderer FROM THE BEGINNING, and abode not in the truth [from the beginning], because there is no truth in him [from the beginning]. When he speaks a lie, he speaks of his own: for he is a liar [from the beginning], and the father [the beginner] of it" (John 8:44).
"Now the SERPENT was more subtle than any beast of the field which the LORD GOD had MADE..." (Gen. 3:1) God "made" this serpent which TALKED with Eve as an articulate, intelligent creature. Satan did not possess this serpent of the field, Satan was this serpent! Satan doesn’t possess snakes! Satan himself was CREATED A SERPENT. Even Paul acknowledges that it was "the SERPENT" that deluded Eve, and not some other creature possessing a snake (II Cor. 11:3).
"And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between THY SEED and her seed, it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel" (Gen. 3:15).
This serpent that shall bruise the heel of Eve’s seed (singular seed -- Christ) is clearly Satan the Devil who also has seed, "thy seed." Jesus said, "You are of your father the Devil...?" (John 8:44). Satan the Devil has "seed"; he is a "father;" a father has children and followers of like nature. No literal snake ever produced a seed that bruised the heel of Jesus. Snakes do not "eat dust" but Satan dines on mankind "Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour [Greek: (lit. or fig.) gulp entirely, swallow up] I Pet. 5:08). And he seeks to devour mankind who are "dust" of the earth ("...for dust thou art...." Gen. 3:19).
"By HIS SPIRIT He hath garnished the heavens; his HAND has FORMED THE CROOKED SERPENT" (Job 26:13). God garnished the heavens by His SPIRIT, because they are a thing of great glory, beauty, and splendor. But the crooked SERPENT God formed by His "hand" -- at ARM'S LENGTH. Thus indicating it was something necessary, but not of His HEART AND SPIRIT! Satan is called "the crooked serpent." This word crooked comes from a Hebrew word that is not translated "crooked" anywhere else in the Bible. The word in Hebrew is bariach, and it means "a fugitive," Strong’s #1281. And "fugitive" is from the Hebrew word nuwa, Strong’s #5128, among its several meanings are: "to [go] up and down," and "to and fro," and to "sift." Remember that God names things according to what they are and what they do:
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http://bible-truths.com/lake9.html ------------------
Satan entered Eden as "that Old Serpent [Satan]" and deceived Eve to eat of the forbidden fruit. Satan didn’t sneak into the garden against God’s will. He performed a needful task with our first parents. God knew what Satan was going to do to Adam and Eve. God did not try to prevent it. It is all part of God’s master plan.
Just as God has provided food for mankind, He has also provided food for Satan. And just what kind of food does Satan dine on? Satan dines on mankind.
"And the Lord God said unto the serpent, Because you have done this, you are cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon your belly shall you go, and DUST SHALL YOU EAT all the days of your life" (Gen. 3:14).
This is, of course a parable. That "serpent" in the garden was none other than
"…that OLD SERPENT, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceives the whole world…" (Rev. 12:9).
And this is the same serpent that "deceived" Eve.
Man is the "dust of the earth" upon which Satan dines: "The first man [Adam] is of the earth, earthy [dust]…" (I Cor. 15:47). Man IS ‘dust.’
"…for DUST you are, and unto DUST shall you return" (Gen. 3:19).
When God told the serpent devil Satan that he would eat DUST, He was telling him that he would eat MAN (adam). And this is exactly what Peter tells us in his epistle:
"Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walks about, seeking whom he may devour [Gk: swallow down/eat]" (I Pet. 5:08).
Satan dines and thrives on the meat of the "carnal [Greek: sarx; flesh] mind [which] is enmity [hostility/hatred] against God: for it is not subject to the [spiritual] law of God, neither indeed can be" (Rom. 08:7).
Satan does not seek to devour everyone for food; only those who are carnally [fleshly] minded represent a great steak dinner to him.
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mercy, peace and love
Kat
Gina:
Matt, you have this knack for articulating things so others can see. It's like-- BOOM! There it is!
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