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The 'have's'......and the 'have-not's'.......
acomplishedartis:
Everything really is as it should be, right now, and it is God's responsibility to set things right with the world, we are merely trying overcome it. Anyway, I guess you should prevent all the responses that you are listening before even posting...
Here is where I think that most of us fail. We tent to think that we really know what others are suffering by just watching them on the outside, and then we thank God because we are not like them. But there is much more than just reading and rereading. We might must come to the point where we are willing and ready to put our selves on anybody's shoes and experience life from different perspectives. And if you think more about it, this rich and poor thing is really a state mind (Paul experience them all, and he had the strength enough to don't be questioning God for the way He does things).
What we need is to keep repenting and think not that we are better. We are just the clay, on this life we can't and never will be able to see things as a whole as God can see them, Now you already know what the Scriptures have to say for real regarding God's absolute and final purpose. So, I guess there is not much more to say...
arion:
You know, I look at some of these deep questions and things that really bother people and then I look at myself and ask if there is something wrong with me. I really don't have any of those deep questions and am content in the knowledge I already have. It's not that I don't want to learn more or have deeper revelation but when I consider all the plethora of questions that bother people I wonder what benefit is there to it? I guess perhaps in heart I'm just a simpleton. Let God be God.
Because of God using a man named Ray Smith I've come to really learn of his love for his creation and the promises in the scriptures that God, in time will save and restore his entire creation. I've come to really learn that God is good, God is love and for the present time terrible things still happen in this world even to those who we would consider to be 'good' people. I don't try to figure it out. It's all a part of his plan. Why do some seem to suffer so much and others so little....I don't know. But I don't know if I need to know, God knows and it's enough.
I'm not lifting myself up against those that do have all the questions because as I stated earlier then I wonder if there is something wrong with me that these deep issues really don't bother me that much. And believe me, it's not that I've been blessed with an easy ride in this life. I could fill a book as many of you can.
2Ti 1:12 For the which cause I also suffer these things: nevertheless I am not ashamed: for I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day.
Samson:
--- Quote from: gk on January 21, 2012, 07:09:30 PM ---It’s me again Margaret.
Been on my mind for a while. Bear with me.
The ‘have’s and the have not’s’.
If one studies history there are two classes of peoples, the ‘haves’, and the ‘have-nots’. This is a general ‘earthly’ view.
The have’s.
They….have.
There are divisions of have’s, but all in all, they just have. Prosperity. And all things associated that riches can buy. And, there are different levels of prosperity and riches. Nonetheless, they are considered ‘nobility’. History details the nobles because history is written by the nobles, and changed by the nobles, both in gain and suppression, and also in changing the way history is written. Appraising their ‘nobility’, er……exactly how noble they are…. is a different matter, but nonetheless, they are definitely the ‘have’s’, deserved or not-deserved.
The have not’s.
They don’t have.
There are more divisions of the have-nots than the haves, because that’s the genereal population. This division includes slaves up to the commoners. But, they’re all owned in some way, at least in the eyes of nobility. They are the ruled. History is full of them, all down through the ages. They’re the succumbing class.
Think.
In both divisions we know that there are those whom God has called. And there are, perhaps, those whom God has 'chosen’ in both classes. Would God choose from those in the nobility class? I don’t know. Probably. He does, after all, work mysteriously. Would God choose from the commoner class? I don’t know. Probably. In fact, the way my mind thinks, he would choose more from the commoner class. These are the ‘humble’, they’re easier to work with in changing the heart.
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But WE know, no matter what, all things are controlled by God. Right? We, of BT forum KNOW that. Well, you do. I still fight it tooth and nail. Different matter entire.
But here’s the thing. No-one asks to be born. No-one determines after their birth how their life will be. Prosperity, wisdom, nobility, dumbness, slavery, common place, all of it, no one has control. They THINK they do, but they don’t. God makes a man what he is.
Now.
Why would a loving, merciful, purposeful, planning, ancient, wise, who gives his only son……God………
………give most to so few a people, and less to so many a people, only to judge the minority of either on earth in their life-time so that they may lead and judge the majority of both who had so much less than others during their life on earth?
An exaggeration........here buddy and budd-ette, be born.....have nothing......live pain.....and then just for giggles........I’m going to throw you in the ‘lake of fire’ and burn out everything bad that you have desired on earth (that I designed for you desire to begin with).
What kind of rationale is that? What could possibly be the finer point of the purpose?
What kind of loving, merciful God is that?
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Hello GK,
Sounds a little like your Venting about Life's inequalities & injustices by comparing the obvious, it's a speculation on my part, not a judging or an attack, ie- The Rich seem to prosper & always get their way in this Life, while MOST of the rest of Us eat Crow. It's all true, an experience of Evil at varying degree's and intensities in this Age(Our Lifetime prior to the Resurrection). I believe it was Asaph that noticed basically the same thing, The Rich & Wicked seem to prosper, Not necessarily assuming that All the Rich & Powerful fully exploit everyone else. It all doesn't seem fair, based on the degree of suffering that is received.
True, none of Us asked to be Born, We had no choice in the matter, one of the many reasons why the Free Will teaching is ridiculous and None of Us asks to Die, unless the suffering is extremely unbearable. The " I didn't ask to be Born reality," is precisely why "Endless Punishment" in one of it's different forms is insane, Well, insane to All of Us, at least to Us at B.T.
Consider this GK, Our Finite Minds can only appreciate & comprehend in part as to Why God is doing things in a particular, ie- the degree of suffering received, the Rich SEEMINGLY being happy Materially & always getting their way, Most of Mankind eating Crow & being expendable Slaves, Servants & Tools for the use of the Nobility, etc, etc, etc. I(Samson) don't emotionally fully understand it either, am I supposed to, apparently not, How much crap are We supposed to endure, Whatever God has planned is the obvious answer and only He(God) fully knows why.
It may not satisfy you to hear that God knows each and every one of Us, better than We know ourselves, So He knows how much an "Experience of Evil" We individually need to receive in order to Humble Us. As a result, We get Chastised(Kolasin- Pruned, Corrected) to some extent in this Lifetime through these experiences. However, God isn't even working with the high majority of Mankind at this time, save God's Chosen Elect out of the many Called and in reality, the Scriptures are only meant for them to understand in this Age and only applicable to them.
Personally, I've brought this type of venting to Kat through phone conversing regarding the seeming outrage as to why God has Evil planned & employed by Wicked Humans & Demons to such a high degree, to my emotionally infected Finite Mind, I don't really like & appreciate it. Intellectually, based on what We've learned here & elsewhere, the answers are clear, but the intensity of the result received from Evil or Wicked Acts appears extreme & unfair.
From an Intellectual & Spiritual frame of Mind, when I'm in a calm state & conditions are momentarily rational in Life's state of affairs, the primary answer from John From Kentucky is Mine too, it's the logical One: God Controls it All, decides how it transpires, Born, Die, Resurrection, Eventual Salvation, An Individual Cleanup(Purification) either Now(Gehenna Fire) or Later(Lake Of Fire), etc, HE'S RIGHT, even if We don't(including Me) don't particularly Like the Process. However, look at the Orthodox Christian Alternative to This: 1) Eat Crow most of Our Lives with the prospect of Endless Punishment even though We didn't ask to be Born. 2) The Most Wicked Characters in History are not reformed, 3) God isn't really total Love, only in context, 4) The wicked "Spiritual Leaders of Christendom & their Contradictory Creeds are right & they were right, 5) And if numbers 1 through 4 are right, We might as well toss the Scriptures down the toilet because it makes God out to be a Psychopathic Liar who really doesn't care about His uniquely designed individually created individuals.
Thanks be to God that it ain't True, Numbers 1 Through 5. I've often mentioned to some of My Bible Truths Phone Buddies that if anyone would read the Bible from Genesis through Revelation in it's entirety with no Holy Spirit influence, no prior teachings from any Teachers, Pastors or Church Denominations or any type of persuasion prior to reading it and proceed to read it in it's entirety, Analytically, Objectively & Carefully; One would probably conclude that it was written By a Multi-Personality(Faces of Eve), Psychopathic, Homicidal, Hypocritical, Contradictory Two faced Liar. BUT THANKS BE TO GOD, THAT'S NOT THE CASE(caps are mine for emphasis).
Hope this Helps, As JFK mentioned: Only God can help Us make sense of this, We have to individually take this up with Him, because I'm don't fully know Why, only in part, Samson.
Rene:
--- Quote from: gk on January 21, 2012, 08:38:11 PM ---
I've lost the way to see the sense in it.
That’s the point. Do you not see the point now???[/color][/font]
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Hi gk,
Instead of the whole world being a stage, I believe the whole world is a classroom. There is a lesson to be learned in everything that people experience in this life.
You say you have "lost the way" and I believe you. I also believe your example is a valuable lesson for those of us who do not question how our Creator does things.
Faith truly is a "gift" that only God can give. You may be lost now, but that's not the end of your story. I have faith and confidence that you, too, will be found, and when that happens, God's way of doing things will make perfect sense to you. ;)
René
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