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Gina:
--- Quote from: Akira329 on February 01, 2012, 12:05:34 PM ---Hey Matt!
Your not alone....
I think about these things too!
I do believe something was happening to these people that could be explained.
I do believe science one day will be able to explain maybe replicate someday.
I'm not superstitious so an explanation will be given one day.
I think about it this way....
For God to turn water into wine a chemical process must be going on right?
As God is the creator of the universe he knows the chemical formula for specific wines.
Water has a molecular formula and as chemical elements are added to that formula the properties of water change.
What's amazing is how God does this without physically adding anything to the the water.
As all things have a chemical make up God knows what was needed to turn water into wine and besides, he has better access to these chemical elements than we do.
We need a lab, he does it anywhere!
You can apply this same process to any miracle Christ performed. Each with there own set of complications.
Also remember Matt what's more important:
John 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
I believe what we should realize is that as advances in science progress so does the realty that these types of miracle healings will be common.
There will be a day where we won't marvel at the regeneration of an amputees arms, legs, or even head!
Because, so what!!
It doesn't change the heart of that man or woman.
Christ healed many people and yet that healing does not convert any of them.
We have to remember that the greater work is the work of salvation!
Physically healing someone is one of God's many tools in that process.
We have a lot to learn but.....
repent first!! ;)
Antaiwan
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Hi Antawain,
This is a great reply! You caused a flood of thoughts in me--thanks! ;D (I've been thinking so much lately about so many things and it's all coming out on the forum. And everybody's been pretty patient!)
The bolded items you wrote struck me. What I'm hearing may not be what you're saying: The greater things Jesus told the disciples they would do are spiritual in nature: being saved/made healthy. But the physical healings are just one of God's many tools used to lead to salvation? I hope I got that right. lol
Then you say, "repent first." And I automatically think: but a sick, carnal-minded person can't repent not having been granted the ability to repent. They just can't. lol
2 Corinthians 7:10 Godly sorrow brings repentance that leads to salvation and leaves no regret (wow, that's a great verse), but worldly sorrow brings death.
Romans 2:4 Or do you show contempt for the riches of his kindness, tolerance and patience, not realizing that God's kindness leads you toward repentance?
Acts 11:18 When they heard these things they fell silent. And they glorified God, saying, “Then to the Gentiles also God has granted repentance that leads to life.”
Acts 11:17 When they heard this, they calmed down, and praised God, saying, "So God has given repentance that leads to life even to gentiles."
Anyway, I agree that physical healings lead to salvation/health/being made whole. But it makes me wonder whether a person can repent without a physical healing. For instance, let's take the sin of coveting another man's wife, or sexual sin: How is that repented of? By turning our physical and spiritual eyes away from those things so as not to want them. I mean, we see something with our physical eyes first before we lust for it (i.e., Eve looked and saw that the tree was good for food, etc.; Paul coveted with his eyes his neighbor's wife). Aside from a full lobotomy or castration, I wonder if it'd be worth contemplating whether physical healing or operation of whatever sort would have to take place in order to change our heart of hearts. Does that make sense?
Akira329:
Hey Gina,
--- Quote ---Then you say, "repent first." And I automatically think: but a sick, carnal-minded person can't repent not having been granted the ability to repent. They just can't. lol
--- End quote ---
I'm not sure I know what you mean when you say someone needs to be granted the ability to repent?
Are you saying a person can't repent unless they are physically healed?
Did anyone Jesus heal repent?
Then I read your last statement:
--- Quote ---Anyway, I agree that physical healings lead to salvation/health/being made whole.
--- End quote ---
No, I'm not saying that at all.
Physical healings are a tool. Its a tool God doesn't always use.
Your sufferings in the flesh can do a lot to humble you.
Gina, your dwelling in the realm of actually dismembering your body to live holy!
That's not necessary.
You should read this excerpt from Ray:
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,11521.0.html
Very enlightening and helpful!
Don't want to take away from Matt's thread. :)
Hope this helps!
Antaiwan
cjwood:
hi gina. i believe it all comes down to this. repentance always comes through God in some form or fashion. i.e., Godly sorrow, God's kindness, God's glory, etc. it is God causing repentance to come into our hearts. He does the giving of repentance, and, through this True repentance our physical, carnal lusts will be healed.
claudia
Gina:
Okay. But I believe there has to be physical/chemical restructuring in our brains and bodies for us to be able to repent first, in order to then be able to go on to being made whole. But that's me.
Romans 10
13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
It is by the hearing / reading of the gospel that people are transformed by the renewing of their minds, to have a Godly sorrow, which brings repentance which leads to salvation. There's some chemical / physical reaction or change or restructuring in our brains taking place when we are granted hearing and sight to see and hear and believe the gospel. Paul was struck blind before he turned and repented. It's something like that. I'm sorry. I probably sound like I'm teaching. I'm just trying to figure it out.
Gina:
--- Quote from: Akira329 on February 02, 2012, 01:08:05 AM ---Hey Gina,
--- Quote ---Then you say, "repent first." And I automatically think: but a sick, carnal-minded person can't repent not having been granted the ability to repent. They just can't. lol
--- End quote ---
I'm not sure I know what you mean when you say someone needs to be granted the ability to repent?
Are you saying a person can't repent unless they are physically healed?
Did anyone Jesus heal repent?
Then I read your last statement:
--- Quote ---Anyway, I agree that physical healings lead to salvation/health/being made whole.
--- End quote ---
No, I'm not saying that at all.
Physical healings are a tool. Its a tool God doesn't always use.
Your sufferings in the flesh can do a lot to humble you.
Gina, your dwelling in the realm of actually dismembering your body to live holy!
That's not necessary.
You should read this excerpt from Ray:
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,11521.0.html
Very enlightening and helpful!
Don't want to take away from Matt's thread. :)
Hope this helps!
Antaiwan
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No I'm not. You misunderstood. And, no, I don't believe anyone is detracting from Matt's thread, because his theme is on healing.
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