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jopie:

"If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give what is good to those who ask Him!
Our Daddy loves us very much.

Gina:

--- Quote from: onelovedread on January 31, 2012, 09:40:18 PM ---Great thread. I enjoyed it a whole lot.
I went into a mortgage with 2 ex church members, and am still stuck in it even though I don't even live at the place. Long story.  And it's doing a number on my credit because one of them lost her job, and the payments are always late. I even offered to transfer my share for nothing, but they're not interested.
I guess because of the way I grew up, I still feel that giving money is a powerful expression of my love for my kids. Maybe I am 'buying' their love :) but ... I am trying in any way I can to make up for my shortcomings when they were younger.

--- End quote ---

I used to do that sort of thing for my daughter.  All I was doing was stunting her.  I was basically telling her:  A person can't be happy unless they are given everything they want, even if they don't need it.

onelovedread:
I am not justifying the practice.
Truth be told my daughters are all working adults and do not depend on me for everything.
I was referrring to special events like their birthdays, and helping them when they have an emergency.
I just sort of recognized that I didn't provide "myself" as readily as I provided money. I was not there many times when they needed me.
I did not mean to hijack the thread, and really did get a lot out of the different posts and  perspectives. I do love that scripture from Romans to owe no man anything but ongoing love. It's hard to forego mortgages though:>)

adiamondintheson:
Good Morning Samson,

Just a few additional thoughts in regard to your post. 

Several years ago, while a 'member" of a local "church", the pastor gave a sermon on Romans 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law."  Of course he tied that in with the idea of everyone in the congregation being able to tithe in much greater amounts if we were to obey that.  I questioned many times after that how a person could buy a home or other greater expense items, such as that and not have to borrow to purchase it.  Then, one day I heard Larry Burkett explain his thoughts on matters such as this.  He continued by saying, "if we purchase an item that requires our need to borrow, we could do that and not go against Romans 13:8 by simply not borrowing an amount greater than what we could sell the item for on a "firesale" and be able to pay the institution, or the individual back his money".  That still leaves some unknowns,  such as would we just experience a drop in our income, Would it be temporary, long-term, and of course the economic conditions affecting the value of the items....  etc. etc.? 

This may mean our first home may not consist of the mansion on the hill, and that we may have to begin with a smaller home, pay it off, then sell it for hopefully a profit  and continue to work our way up.  Of course, Paul said in  Philippians 4:11 Not that I speak in respect of want: for I have learned, in whatsoever state I am, therewith to be content.  And God has said He will provide our needs if we trust Him. 

I do believe that God does know each of our needs and will provide as my wife and I learned within this last year (first hand) we are both retired, and both have health problems.  Several years back, I operated my own construction, sales and management business.  Then, I suddenly began to develop physical problems that dumbfounded the local doctors.  By March of the coming year we had sales of over a million dollars that I was forced to void the contracts on and for a couple of years thereafter spent a major portion of my time at home with my body continuing to draw into a fetal position.  Of course this ended any immediate source of income and precluded any additional future savings programs etc.  Since that point in time, God led us to a neurologist who was able to give me medication and control this very rare disease.

Obviously we are now living on social security totally.  Then, God proved to us of His care when a temporary legal issue suddenly cut our social security in half and after our rent payment left us with about $20. a month.  We did learn very quickly in a very real way how to trust God from day to day.  We are happy to say He did provide in numerous ways until we could get the various legal matters straightened around.

We found it's every day... learning to TRUST.  Again it was Paul who said in: Philippians 4:12-13 I know both how to be abased, and I know how to abound: every where and in all things I am instructed both to be full and to be hungry, both to abound and to suffer need. I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.

Just thought I would share our experience with  you and anyone who might be facing a similar situation.  God never stops teaching us. 

Sincerely
Den

Revilonivek:
maybe it's saying, whenever you give, don't ask for it back. less bitterness that way and light on the heart. God exist in cheerful giving and it helps people whether they deserve it or not. that's love. that alone can allow you to experience God. keep in mind people have to make a living when doing businesses. it is what it is but it's simply saying when you are blessed enough, share it and don't ask for it back. :)  and for the dealership, banks didn't want to loan us a car loan in spite of our good credit but car dealership was willing to  help us out with 9 percent interest. ouch but I'm not complaining because it's allowed me to get a new vehicle and it's paid for now. took me five years to pay off the loan but their payments were a bit high but reasonable given the fact that I purchased the suv during a time where a economy depression was threatening to hit.

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