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eggi:
Dear brothers and sisters,

It's been a while... Just wanted to tell you that our little family up there in "cold dark Norway" is missing you, and we sure miss to have the opportunity to meet with others of the same mind as us. We don't presently know of anyone around us here who believe what we all believe in. We have nobody physically close to us, but we do have Christ and His body of believers.

Yesterday I had a really bad and sad day. First of all, reading about Ray's condition is so painful, and I'm struggling to be strong just as all of you. In the last couple of weeks we have also been contacted by a member of my wife's family. They are worried for us because we are not going to church, and we are not keeping the literal commandments of the Law of Moses. The new discovery for him is that although we are under grace and not under the Law, we still need to obey the Law of Moses literally. Now he is worried that we are losing our reward since we don't keep these commandments literally. Although this, according to him, is not necessary for salvation, he says that if you have the Holy Spirit it follows that you want to obey God by following the literal commandments. So, what he is saying is that none in our family have the Holy Spirit, seeing that we don't keep the Sabbath days (all the feasts, saturdays), not the Passover, and so on. He has also said that is considering circumcision for himself.

Today we had a four hour discussion with him, futile and quite sad. I got called an heretic several times, we are also according to him "rebelling against God", not wanting to obey, not having the Holy Spirit and so on. He said that we are right in believing that the law is Spiritual, but the literal keeping of the Law remains just as important. He says that the apostles kept the law of Moses literally all their lives. He says that Paul circumcised Timothy, and probably all other Christians as well. It was "expected that Christian gentiles did these things, since when you have the Holy Spirit you want to obey these commandments."

I asked him if not having the Holy Spirit would mean that you are not saved. He agreed to that. So, in my opinion, this means that keeping the literal commandments ARE necessary for salvation. To this he disagreed. I then asked: But aren't you saying that if you don't keep the literal commandments you don't have the Holy Spirit? Yes, he said. And that's how the discussion went on.

The conclusion is: You guys are so important, this forum is all we have at the moment! We love you each and everyone and we thank God for everything we have learned from Ray and you.

God bless all!

Love in Christ,
Eirik

gmik:
 Dear friend,  my heart is heavy too about Ray.  You are NOT alone EVER-even in northern Norway!  Your story, while sad, about your wifes family, is fairly typical among all of us on the forum :-\

I live in a very populated area in the States but I don't know anyone around me that believes as we do.  The forum is my "church-family". The B-T site is where I get my teaching.

I have stopped trying to tell/convince anyone (especially in my family) what I believe.  My own son once said I was a heretic...that hurt!  We move on and live our lives not "talking about it".

Anyway, I am glad you shared w/ us but sorry you had to go thru it, but hey, their eyes may open someday because you did spend all that time.  You just never know how the Lord is working in others lives.  Doesns't it feel better now after you have shared w/ us?  Something about writing it out and knowing others are reading and understanding you.

Wow, thru Ray I am talking to you in Norway.  I never would hve believed that!  The Lord has truly used Ray to bring all of us into a "new kind of family".

Good talking to you Eirik.  May God Bless you and your family!!

eggi:
It sure helps Gena! I can prove that by telling you that I kept pushing the refresh button every once in a while to see the first reply! I needed it. I will share this with my wife now before we go to bed! It feels so much better sharing this and knowing that you understand. In the past few months we have felt more and more alone.

God bless you,
Eirik

Ninny:
Oh..Eirik I know you must feel lonely and isolated...it is a lonely life, but yes we do have each other though far away...Gena is right..if not for Ray and God working in our lives we would not be able to know each other...It's so hard when your family thinks you're a heretic..I have never been called that, but I have gotten a lot of lectures and looks..but I don't argue or convince...if God means for the rest of the family to understand then He will give them understanding it is our place to love them as much as possible..I'll be praying for the two of you.God will give you strength......
Kathy  :)

tinknocker:
Food for thought;

Galatians 5:4
You who are trying to be justified by the law are alienated from Christ; you have fallen from grace!

tinknocker

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