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The Bible "clearly states??"
jccarterjr:
Right and John 3:16 clearly sates whoever shall believe in HIM shall not perish. You can be righteous and not believe.
I also agree that once you accept salvation and truly believe in HIM, you will not perish and have everlasting life.
If you don't believe in him however, well you perish. I am just reading the book.
Samson:
--- Quote from: jccarterjr on February 12, 2012, 12:22:37 PM ---When I filled out my questionnaire I said I was seeking the truth. I said that while I found truth in one of Rays teachings that had a profound effect on my life that I find the the last commandment of Christ covers it all all. I think Ray would agree with me. I do however do not appreciate being attacked in the way you have just attacked me.
I hold that Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior and that there is but one way to the father. Jesus Christ.
I hold that Christs last commandment is to love even my enemy as I love myself. I don;t want enemies. I don;t look for enemies. I am not trying to be your enemy.
Ask Ray if I have it wrong, but don't speak for him. That is rude.
--- End quote ---
Actually the Bible does not say Love your Enemy as Yourself, it says Love Your Neighbor as yourself. The Greek word is Agape too, not the Kind of Love(Philia) that Jesus has for His Brothers, His Chosen Elect. We love(Agape) Our Enemies by treating them better than they deserve and being kind to them, even when they are unkind to Us. An Enemy could even be a Relative.
Mat 5:43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
Mat 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
Mat 5:45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
Mat 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy NEIGHBOR AS THYSELF.
Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
You were confusing Matthew. 5:44 with Matthew. 22:39 or combining them.
Also, the Word Perish or destroy comes from the Greek Word Apollumi which literally means " to Lose," or "Lost" just like when Jesus said He came save that which was LOST(Greek-Apollumi).
Thanks, Samson.
Additional update due to Modification found below.
Apollumi: Lose, Lost, Destroy, Ruin.
Matt. 10:28 ( Fear Him who is able to DESTROY)
Matt. 18:11 ( Came to Save that which was LOST)Not even one, zero, not some, not any, not at all any ) should perish (Gk. apollumi - perish, destroy, lose) but that all (Gk. Pas - all, as many as. We can take that out, forget the word all, you don‘t need it. Put ‘that they,’ who? Anybody who doesn’t come under the category of none) should come to repentance.”
Are you following this? This is all based on the negative. How many that don’t come under the category of none, not any, not any man, not any woman, not any thing, none whatsoever, nothing. Now if you are not in that category, you are going to come to repentance and not have a destiny of perishing or perished - apollumi. How many is that? Everyone does not come under the mē, the none, so it includes everyone. Therefore the “all” in that verse is everyone who is not included in the “any,” and that’s EVERYONE!
Now we understand that all humanity is in a state of ‘apollumi,’ sometimes. Because apollumi meaning destroy, perish or lose. All mankind are lost, so it’s not talking about in this lifetime that no one will ever be destroyed or die or be perished or not be spiritually lost, as their destiny, because this life time they do. But ultimately our destiny for everyone, is to be unperished or lost. None, because the negative here proves it. If there is even one that comes under that category, it can’t come under that category, because that category doesn’t include anyone, it’s a negative, no one. He’s not willing that anyone, no one be perishing or lost forever. There again the apollumi, Christ said I’ve come to save those that are apollumi. When the scripture say, “the Lord is not slack,” is there any room for slackness? No. A little slackness? No. No slackness at all. When He says, “…is not willing that any should perish,” it proves the positive side. The negative proves the positive.[/color]
Craig:
O.K Mr Carter, your posts have been scattered and all over the place. I cannot tell if you are really trying to learn or if you just want to teach. You say Ray has shown you to question, what answers did you find? Most everything you post comes right out of Babylon. I cannot tell if you are sincere or just here to cause trouble. Whatever the reason, we don't require you to believe anything Ray has taught or even require you to read the teachings. But you do need to follow the rules that you agreed to.
I think you should quit posting until you have more chance to familiarize yourself with the teaching we adhere to. If you really study I believe you will find that it will sync with the scriptures. After you've had a chance to study and decide whether you belong here you are free to ask questions of what you do not understand.
Right now you do not appear to understand much. I wish you well in your journey and hope that you are being called to learn the truths of scripture.
Craig
Craig:
I wanted to add this as a reminder to any new users.
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,4558.0.html
and
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,3614.0.html
Hopefully for your understanding.
Deborah-Leigh:
Not only do some reject Jesus and perish, MOST reject Jesus and perish. But that is not the end. That is not their eternal destiny. The Greek word "apollumi" is the word translated "destroy," "lost," and "perish" in the King James Bible. All three are translated from this one Greek word, many times. Appolumi is translated according to the context of a verse, hence: the sheep was LOST (it did not perish, nor was it destroyed, as it was later FOUND, but it was "apollumi" in that it was lost. Those that enter into the "broad way that leads to DESTRUCTION" are also "apollumi"--destroyed. And those who do not accept Jesus as their Saviour will also "apollumi," that is they will PERISH. It's all the same condition. One can be lost in a fire, destroyed in a fire, or perish in a fire. Regardless, you loose your life.
But (and here comes the good news), Jesus came TO SAVE THAT WHICH WAS LOST [apollumi]" (Mark 18:11; Luke 19:10). Jesus Christ came for the express purpose of SAVING all those who are "apollumi"--LOST, DESTROYED, AND PERISHED! There it is. Simple, huh? One just needs to believe the Scriptures.
God be with you,
Ray http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,2389.msg18745.html#msg18745
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