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Jesus: "the CREATED of the Father"
Kat:
John, I know full well that Christ is fully 100% God "the fullness of the Godhead"... in saying He is part of the Father I am not saying He is only some degree of God, but that He is indeed connect and not separate from the Father.
But show me a Scripture that saying He is 'everything' that the Father is, that's all I need so I understand and agree.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
santgem:
John 4:23 But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship Him.
Who is that spirit?
Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. 2Co 3:17
Who is that truth?
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. Jhn 14:6
Who then the Spirit of truth?
But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me: Jhn 15:26
Did the Father send the Spirit of his Son so that we can call the Father?
And because we are his children, God has sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, prompting us to call out, “Abba, Father. Gal 4:6
Are the true worshipers will worship the Father in Jesus Christ for the Father is seeking such to worship Him?
Dave in Tenn:
--- Quote from: lilitalienboi16 on August 21, 2014, 09:32:12 AM ---
--- Quote from: Dave in Tenn on August 21, 2014, 12:58:11 AM ---Alex, are we not even the tiniest bit 'there'? It's a process. We already ARE the sons of God, though not all of us are well-behaved.
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Only because God calls those things that are not as if they were. I know you know that scripture and the SUM of the Word is truth. Being part way there or 1% there doesn't give us the right to throw all caution to the wind and start confusing others by talking about our process of transformation as if its already complete.
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See Kat's post directly above yours for Scriptural confirmation. I've not thrown caution to the wind. And I can't help it if this is all confusing. I know...I know...the Nature of God...what a horrible thing to have to think about! ;D
I'm no 'wiser' than the next person. In fact, I think of myself as little more than a toddler with the Scripture. Sure, I can handle some strong meat of the word, but I have trouble getting it all into my mouth. ;)
If my conclusion (if that's what it actually is--I doubt it) is 'wrong' it isn't because the 'premises' are wrong. And I've got more where these came from. It's because it is incomplete. And I've been 'preaching' that ALL of our 'conclusions' are 'incomplete' for years now. The heaven of all us heavens can't contain Him.
I have One God. His name is Jehovah. He also goes by Jesus. I am not Him. He is not me. But we are 'inextricably linked' for the eons. It just has to start someplace.
microlink:
From JFK
Kat,
Here are two Scriptures in support that They are the same. Not the identical functions, but the same God.
--- Quote from: Kat on August 21, 2014, 01:32:24 PM ---
John, I know full well that Christ is fully 100% God "the fullness of the Godhead"... in saying He is part of the Father I am not saying He is only some degree of God, but that He is indeed connect and not separate from the Father.
But show me a Scripture that saying He is 'everything' that the Father is, that's all I need so I understand and agree.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
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If God the Father are the same, then why did Ray say that The Father prevented Jesus from sinning as He could have sinned knowing He was in the flesh? The Father could never sin. Jesus could have but thanks be to God for His love toward us He did not sin. So Jesus cannot be all that the Father is. Many good posts in this thread confirm IMO
Dave in Tenn:
Could Jesus have sinned? The proof is in the fact that He didn't. I don't see Him in His earthly life as teetering on the brink, being pulled back at the last minute. He does all after the council of His own will.
In like manner, you and I could NOT have not-sinned. The proof is in the fact that all have sinned and fall short of the Glory of God.
But even if He DID experience His life, testing, and temptation 'like that', He did Father's will. HIS will and Father's will are the same will. One day it will be all of ours too.
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