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Is the second coming the final judgment (Matt 25:31)
patmokgoko:
Hi family, Is Matthew 25:31 talking about the second coming or final judgment, if this is only the second coming then it cannot be related to verses 41 & 46.If this (Matt 25:31) is the second coming of the Lord then I perceive that the final judgment will come only after the one thousand year rule of Christ.In the milenium rule the dead unbelievers still sleep (Rev 20:4-6) then how can final judgment happen without them.However if this is the final judgment then when was or did the second coming take place?How do they talk about one thousand year rule but refer to the punishment as "everlasting"? Please help!
thetruth:
Hello patmokgoko
I am pretty sure that Rev-20-5-6 are Spurious passages...not in the original manuscriptes.I know that you can find a list of them on BT somewhere on the home page.
Duane:
Pat M...some of the flaws of the KJV are the non-understanding and mistranslation of eon, eonian and anything "time related"--as well as not differentiating between hell, hades, lake of fire, gehenna, outer darkness, et. al.
I looked up the verses and then read the commentary of the NKJV and it was absurd---
CLV translation: vs. 4-7 "....and the souls of those executed because of the testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God, and those who didn't worship the wild beast or it's image, and did not get the emblem on their forehead or on their hand--they also live with Christ a thousand years. (The rest of the dead do not live UNTIL the thousand years should be finished). This is the former resurrection. - parenthesis: theirs caps: mine
6. Happy and holy is he who is he who is having part of the former resurrection. Over these the second death has no jurisdiction, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and they will be reigning with Him the thousand years.
7. And when the thousand years should be finished, Satan will be loosed out of his jail. And he will be coming out to deceive all the nations which are in the four corners of the earth---".
I have no personal comment, as I wouldn't pretend to have a knowledgeable understanding, but I thought the translation would help you.
patmokgoko:
Thanks, what I wanted to know was this that: because this is the centre pillar of the "fundamentalists", how do they reconcile the two i.e Matt 25:31 & Rev 20:4-6.If Matt 25:31 is what they call rapture then it surely can not line up with their beloved "everlasting punishment" in verse 46, but 1000 age abiding/age pruning.However if they insist that this is the final judgment then when was the second coming?I am just trying to scripturally seperate this Matt 25:31 and Rev 20:11-12
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: patmokgoko on February 18, 2012, 11:35:12 AM ---Thanks, what I wanted to know was this that: because this is the centre pillar of the "fundamentalists", how do they reconcile the two i.e Matt 25:31 & Rev 20:4-6.If Matt 25:31 is what they call rapture then it surely can not line up with their beloved "everlasting punishment" in verse 46, but 1000 age abiding/age pruning.However if they insist that this is the final judgment then when was the second coming?I am just trying to scripturally seperate this Matt 25:31 and Rev 20:11-12
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I'm not sure what you mean by 'scripturally separate' these verses when they both are a testimony of the same event.
Also, why are we trying to make sense of what Christian fundamentalists believe? That's an exercise in confusion in itself.
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