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Gina:
--- Quote ---Thank you! :) Yes, I'm feeling better.
Yup, it's very clear. The gospel writer identifies the Word as Jesus. He was "at that time" referred to as THE WORD. It almost seems like God uttered this WORD. Upon doing so, the universe came into being, and ultimately, God's utterance became flesh.
My native language is Spanish. THE WORD is translated as THE VERB into Spanish from the Greek. If we were to use this form in the English translation, it would read IN THE BEGINNING WAS THE VERB, AND THE VERB WAS WITH GOD, AND THE VERB WAS GOD. We all know that a verb expresses an action. I think in this case the action was a creative one. I can picture God "speaking" this action verb causing our universe to come into existence.
Mind you, this is not a belief that I have. It's just a conjecture. And yes, I do believe in Jesus. I've witnessed his authority in action.
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Now you're on the right track.
theophilus:
--- Quote from: Levy on January 06, 2013, 07:45:34 AM ---
--- Quote from: theophilus on January 06, 2013, 06:32:14 AM ---
--- Quote from: Levy on January 06, 2013, 06:12:12 AM ---Just something interesting I found today on the Concordant Version:
John 1
1 In the beginning was the word, and the word was toward God, and God was the word.
2 This was in the beginning toward God.
Instead of "with God" it says - at least in this version - "was toward God".
Found it interesting. Pondering what that might mean as opposed to "with God".
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Hi Levy, come to think of it, I had read about that rendering of John 1:1. I think it means something like the Word was in the presence of God or face to face with God.
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Hey theophilus,
maybe that the Word was going towards becoming God too, and indeed became God and He became God even before the world was created (by Himself, the Word). Firstborn among many brothers, like He is so are we.
God bless,
Levy
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Hello Levy, here's a rendition of John 1:1-2 by the Orthodox Jewish Bible:
Yochanan 1
Orthodox Jewish Bible (OJB)
1 Bereshis (in the Beginning) was the Dvar Hashem [YESHAYAH 55:11; BERESHIS 1:3], and the Dvar Hashem was agav (along with, etzel, Mishle 8:30;30:4) Hashem, and the Dvar Hashem was nothing less, by nature, than Elohim! [Psa 56:11(10); Yn 17:5; Rev. 19:13 i.e., the Ma’amar Memra]
2 Bereshis (in the Beginning) this Dvar Hashem was with Hashem [Prov 8:30].
Quoted verses:
Yeshayah 55:11 (Isaiah)
Orthodox Jewish Bible (OJB)
11 So shall My Davar (the Word of Hashem) be that goeth forth out of My mouth; He shall not return unto Me reikam (empty, void) but He [the Davar Hashem, see Yn 1:1,14 (John 1:1,14)] shall do that which I please, and He [the Davar Hashem] shall accomplish the purpose whereto I sent Him.
Bereshis 1:3
Orthodox Jewish Bible (OJB)
3 And Elohim said, Let there be light: and there was light [Tehillim 33:6,9].
Tehillim 33:6
Orthodox Jewish Bible (OJB)
6 By the Devar Hashem were Shomayim made; and all the tz’va (host) of them by the ruach (breath) of His mouth [MJ 11:3; Yn 1:1; Psa 56:5].
Mishle 8:30 (Proverbs 8:30)
Orthodox Jewish Bible (OJB)
30 Then I was etzel (at the side of, beside [see Yn 1:1]) Him, as an Amon (master craftsman, builder, architect, artist); and I was daily His delight (or daily fille with delight), rejoicing always before Him [Mishle 30:4]
Yochanan 17:5
Orthodox Jewish Bible (OJB)
5 And now give me kavod, Avi, along with Yourself with the kavod which I was having with You before HaOlam came to be [Yn 1:1 3; Prov 8:30; 30:4].
Mishle 30:4
Orthodox Jewish Bible (OJB)
4 Who hath ascended into Shomayim, or descended? Who hath gathered ruach in the hollows of His hands? Who hath bound the mayim in a cloak? Who hath established all the afsei aretz (ends of the earth)? What is Shmo (His Name), and what is Shem Bno (the Name of His Son [See Memra, creative Word of G-d in Targumim]), if thou canst tell?
Tehillim 56 10(11) (Psalms)
10 (11) In Elohim will I praise His Word; in Hashem will I praise His Word [Yn 1:1; Mishlei 30:4; Ps 33:6; Mishlei 8:30].
Orthodox Jewish Bible (OJB)
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THIS IS AWESOME!!! PRAISED BE OUR GOD!!!
Rhys 🕊:
Interesting but way over my head but God bless you theophilus and great to meet you. ???
Rhys
theophilus:
--- Quote from: Rhys NZ on January 06, 2013, 10:47:02 PM ---Interesting but way over my head but God bless you theophilus and great to meet you. ???
Rhys
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Hello Rhys! God bless you too! :)
It's not way over either one of us' heads. I provided the names of the books referred to that we are all familiar with. This is just another version of scripture, a Jewish one. Great to meet you too! :)
Rhys 🕊:
Excellent. Yes I see that. My brain is a bit slow and goes into safe mode now and then. I often have to tell myself listen to the Lord then your roofer. :D
Rhys
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