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Remarriage
firefly77:
--- Quote from: River on February 26, 2012, 12:07:15 AM ---'I hate divorce," says the LORD God of Israel. (Malachi 2:16)
Judge that! ;)
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Hmmm... I usually don't make any comments, but this morning I can't resist:
Proverbs 6:16-19 (King James Version)
16These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
17A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
18An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
19A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.
Dennis,
Thanks for your comments; as always, I appreciate your wisdom.
Angie
DougE6:
Both Dennis and River are right. It is not judging to point out the scriptural admonitions not to sin. That is correct. And if your guilty of them, don't call the one pointing that out "judging". You mean we cannot point out God's standards? I think the attitude behind it is what constitures "judging" And are we to always assume someone has the wrong attitude, when they point out scriptural standards?
And God is not designing cookie cutter sons and daughters, our each individual experience of evil are "custom designed" We all need to learn our own lessons, and a large dose of empathy for one another is appreciated and the spiritual thing to do.
I persoanlly feel that judging scripture is used everywhere. And I personally do not take offense if Nathan the prophet says to me.."Thou are the man" if I am the man.
Dennis Vogel:
River said:
--- Quote ---I will never understand why people get "married" multiple times. The whole idea of marriaged is to NOT be divorced ever! Yet I hear people tell me all the time they have been married three times??? Do they realize what they are saying? I think not.
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Then Doug said:
--- Quote ---Both Dennis and River are right.
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I don't think so. River is dead wrong. I suspect River is a young man and has not lived long enough to experience much grief.
This is not just about divorce - It's about missing the mark (sinning) and judging others for it.
My wife left me and our three young children and ran off with her hair-dresser many years ago. My grief was enormous. It took the majority of my adult life to get over it.
I remember reading a biography many years ago of (I think) J. Paul Getty where he said he would give up his entire fortune for one successful marriage.
Does anyone in their right mind enter into a marriage thinking it will end in divorce?
Do you not think that when a marriage ends there is not a lot of grief on both sides?
Be careful for what you condemn others for - It could happen to you someday.
You can apply this to all types missing the mark (sins) and judging. Drug addicts, drunkenness, religious zealots who murder people in the name of their god, thieves, etc.
All wrong, but given similar conditions, YOU would do the same!
Don't think so? Imagine a Jewish baby switched at birth with a Palestinian baby. That baby would grow up hating Jews.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEB0SvMzKzg
YOU can be molded into anything God preordained. Judge not.
DougE6:
Dennis that is a heartbreaker of a story. As you said, we need empathy and understanding, for each other, as we are all in this together.
I just did not think River was condemning anyone. I really don't perhaps I am wrong. I think he was pointing out the what the scripture says.
Clearly, you ex wife broke these laws, causing incredible pain. SO the law, not to do those things, is good. If she would of obeyed, it would of saved you a whole lot of pain.
I think that is my point. Is the Law bad? No, it is a schoolmaster, to show how we all need a saviour, we all need Jesus. I think God will hold all of us accountable for what we do, we will give an account. To tell someone what they are doing is wrong, is not an evil. If you were being condemned for the actions of another, that is unjust. Do you not think God is going to make you ex give account? Like we all will? And will he not require you to forgive (as I am sure you already have)
I just didn't see a spirit of condemnation, but I could be completely wrong. And if I am doing something evil, like your ex wife is did, then she should of repented if someone told her what she was doing was evil. Even if she didn't care to hear it, that will be part of what needs to be used in judgement. JMHO.
Yes, we are are being broken into powder. Some ways are very painful. Your story is a very tough one and that was very close to any "hell", no doubt.
NOTE..not part of this discussion....As an aside, an edit, I just want to point out that perhaps I am a little hypersensitive to the use of the judge not scripture, because it is used everywhere, everybody, if any type of restriction or label is put on their behaviour. Every type of behaviour is excused by the ungodly by this scripture, if you try to point out the Scriptures say some things are sins. Also, I have learned to have a thick skin, that if someone points out to me my shortcomings, I truly try to evaluate the merit in the claim. If the claim has no merit, then I just leave it in the hands of God. If it has merit, I try to change and repent.
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: DougE6 on February 26, 2012, 04:34:09 PM ---NOTE..not part of this discussion....As an aside, an edit, I just want to point out that perhaps I am a little hypersensitive to the use of the judge not scripture, because it is used everywhere, everybody, if any type of restriction or label is put on their behaviour. Every type of behaviour is excused by the ungodly by this scripture, if you try to point out the Scriptures say some things are sins. Also, I have learned to have a thick skin, that if someone points out to me my shortcomings, I truly try to evaluate the merit in the claim. If the claim has no merit, then I just leave it in the hands of God. If it has merit, I try to change and repent.
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I understand your point Doug. But sometimes there is a tendency to confuse wickedness and weakness. Very few in the world are inherently evil and wicked. But sin is so prevalent because humanity is too spiritually weak to resist sin.
That's the wisdom behind the verse in question. Would we condemn and judge a paraplegic for being unable to stand? No, we should have mercy on them and assist them in overcoming this obstacle in their life. It's not much different with being given the faith to remain strong in a world of spiritual iniquity compared to another who has not been blessed in like manner.
And also, as Dennis noted, we make light of difficult decisions and experiences when we have not been through them ourselves. It's always easier from the outside and with hindsight to say this or that. It's a whole other ball game when you're in the thick of it. And most important, God uses our indiscretions to teach us, so those indiscretions must happen. We can only learn if we stumble and fall in life. Not a license for sin, but simply a big picture reason as to the why.
Marques
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