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mharrell08:
--- Quote from: longhorn on March 03, 2012, 07:50:56 PM ---We are all at our appointed time will experience every single word in scripture.
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This sounds eerily similar to a false teaching that at one point tried to circulate on BT and the forum. The problem with this premise is that there are scriptures where we are specifically told to not 'partake of', specifically the wrath of God:
1 Thes 5:9 For God did not appoint us to wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ
1 Thes 1:9-10 For they themselves declare concerning us what manner of entry we had to you, and how you turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God, and to wait for His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead, even Jesus who delivers us from the wrath to come.
Rom 2:5-8 ...the righteous judgment of God, who “will render to each one according to his deeds”: eternal (eonian) life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immortality; but to those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness—indignation and wrath
Eph 5:6-7 Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience. Therefore do not be partakers with them.
Rom 9:22-23 What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory
Rom 5:9 Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him.
John 3:36 He who believes in the Son has everlasting (eonian) life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.
Christ's words include wrath upon the disobedient, but just because He spoke of God's wrath does not mean we experience it.
Marques
longhorn:
So Marques, You are saying that not All have been " Disobedient ". Please read Romans 11:32. Marques, you sound like the words of Christ offend you, and like so many, you would like to be Raptured away from any and all " Much Tribulation " required of the Saints.
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: longhorn on March 04, 2012, 06:41:45 AM ---So Marques, You are saying that not All have been " Disobedient ". Please read Romans 11:32. Marques, you sound like the words of Christ offend you, and like so many, you would like to be Raptured away from any and all " Much Tribulation " required of the Saints.
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Much tribulation is different from God's wrath. Here is the scripture you referenced from Romans 11:
Rom 11:30-32 For as you were once disobedient to God, yet have now obtained mercy through their disobedience, even so these also have now been disobedient, that through the mercy shown you they also may obtain mercy. For God has committed them all to disobedience, that He might have mercy on all.
Notice Paul says 'as we were once disobedient to God', not something that we continue to practice. We, as God's Elect, go through much tribulation [Acts 14:22], chastisement [Heb 12:6], & persecution [John 15:20]...but never God's wrath [1 Thes 5:9, Rom 5:9].
Marques
Gina:
Thanks, Marques. You summed that up quite well. I'd like to just add one more thing to what's already been said:
From the Mobile Conference in 2009:
(Notes)
Is Romans 1:18 speaking of God’s Elect? Or is this speaking of those who, “Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,” (Romans 1:22). The Concordant says, “they became stupid.”
In Ephesians 5 it talks about the “children of disobedience.”
Ephesians 5:6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
v. 7 Be not you therefore partakers with them.
So, if the wrath of God is poured out on the children of disobedience, Paul says, don’t you be one of them. Then that has to mean that there are those that don’t have to be one of them. “Don’t YOU be a partaker with them.” If God’s Elect are still “the children of disobedience,” then it is impossible and foolish on Paul’s part to admonish us to “BE NOT ye therefore partakers with THEM.”[/color]
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,11521.msg99635.html#msg99635
Gina:
--- Quote from: bluzman on March 03, 2012, 02:24:15 PM ---
--- Quote from: Gina on March 03, 2012, 09:58:33 AM ---But men are so wonderful! ;D
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Very true, of course, and only those FEW of us who aren't conceited!! 8)
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There, now isn't that better? hehe
I know that it's never a good idea to stroke a man's ego, per Ray's Destiny of Women study. So, I've decided to stop doing that, starting today. ;D
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