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acomplishedartis:
Have you ever heard when somebody have certain ability or skill for different things, like for example drawing or speaking new languages,that people say that they where born with that ability?

Me thinks that skillful individuals can simply  developed a greater capacity to learn faster than others; we have no free will, people don't do things without causes,. Can you imagine a person whom have never even learn a language and suddenly start singing extremely beautifully because he supposedly was born with it, or a person that doesn't even know how to take a pencil and suddenly start drawing masterpeaces?

I am aware from persons born with things like autism that sometimes can be able to developed their capacities extremely great, however, without the enough information and circumstances they wouldn't be able to develop great abilities and skills

All kinds of chance encounters-- with particular people, information or circumstances-- have marked turning points in many individuals lives, whether toward fulfillment or ruin.
None of these things is equal or can be made equal. If this is an injustice, it is not a "social" injustice because it is beyond the power of society. --unknown


let me know what you all think about people being born with certain abilities and skills...

Samson:

--- Quote from: John from Kentucky on March 09, 2012, 06:19:23 PM ---
--- Quote from: Moises on March 09, 2012, 03:37:03 PM ---Have you ever heard when somebody have certain ability or skill for different things, like for example drawing or speaking new languages,that people say that they where born with that ability?

Me thinks that skillful individuals can simply  developed a greater capacity to learn faster than others; we have no free will, people don't do things without causes,. Can you imagine a person whom have never even learn a language and suddenly start singing extremely beautifully because he supposedly was born with it, or a person that doesn't even know how to take a pencil and suddenly start drawing masterpeaces?

I am aware from persons born with things like autism that sometimes can be able to developed their capacities extremely great, however, without the enough information and circumstances they wouldn't be able to develop great abilities and skills

All kinds of chance encounters-- with particular people, information or circumstances-- have marked turning points in many individuals lives, whether toward fulfillment or ruin.
None of these things is equal or can be made equal. If this is an injustice, it is not a "social" injustice because it is beyond the power of society. --unknown


let me know what you all think about people being born with certain abilities and skills...

--- End quote ---

Everything we have comes from God.  God gave certain ones skills and abilities that others do not have---All by His will and how He sees fit.

What most do not know is that God gave us our weaknesses and failures too--in order to mold and shape us.

Good and evil comes from God.  Everything was planned and mapped out before the creation of anything.  As the Potter so decided.

--- End quote ---



I pretty much agree with the above from JFK, People inherit certain Genetic Traits that give them an advantage in these areas. However, for whatever specific reason that God had planned, some people don't develop or use these abilities in a Professional sense. My Grandfathers were both Accountants in New York and My Dad majored in Accounting at Middlebury College in Vermont, but changed His major to Geology, but eventually chose to work in Sales Management for Standard Oil and Real Estate Sales, also was & is involved in the Stock Market game. His Mathematical Skills and Proficiency carried over in being good at handling money, but mostly in the personal home front area of Life. I definitely inherited the basic skill of being good with numbers, always doing my own Taxes, even in cases that included several schedules, IE- Itemized Deductions, Profit or Loss from Income, Schedule SE, amortization and Depreciation, etc.

None of the above makes Me special, it's just what God gave Me, yet I couldn't draw a decent picture if my Life depended on it. My Daughters are both Artistic, they might have receive that ability from My Mother or from someone else, but not directly from Me.

The you got these Guys that don't workout with exceptional Genetics; IE- Low Body Fat, Narrow waists, ripped Abdominals, Naturally wide Shoulders and their Diets suck. A good example in Bodybuilding is Former Mr. Olympia Sergio Oliva and the Youngest Mr. America ever, Casey Viator. Casey had a Sister that never worked out that had Muscular Calves and Thighs and they were Huge.

Of course it takes some attention in developing these abilities, but those that are blessed in these different areas are able to achieve at a much faster rate than those that don't have the predisposition in those areas. By the way, Sergio Oliva ate pizza and drank cola while training for the 1967 & 1968 Mr. Olympia and was one of the few people to ever beat Arnold Swartzenegger.

We aught to be Thankful for the Abilities that God gave Us, but even the desire to apply these inherited advantages comes from God. God gave Me long muscle bellies in My Arms, Chest, Thighs and Calves and average Lats, but I got shortchanged in the Abdominal area, no Genetics there,  ;).

I don't know if the above adds to what your looking for Moises, but it's definitely an interesting subject, Genetics, Talents, Environmental Causes and the Application Thereof.

Thanks, Samson.

indianabob:
Hey Brad,
I see what you are saying. Genetics counts
and God's gifts count.

I am lacking in most of these areas.
I was skinny when young and just got fat later, not much muscle.
I am not smart or talented in any particular area
I am really pleased and grateful to be in fellowship with you all.
here on the forum. It is easy for me to be grateful because I realize that it is not of me, but a gift of God.
So in some ways I am glad that I didn't have many talents or gifts to swell up my ego.
However I must confess that my Mom did impress upon me that I was special to her and that I could do much better than I had been doing if I would just try harder. I'm lazy mentally.
The final analysis of this situation is that God has blessed me with knowledge that I have not earned by my own effort and so I try to be considerate of those of you who have earned your knowledge by hard work.
I'm just really happy to be allowed to belong and to learn.

I'm really curious about what God will have me doing in the kingdom.
Do any of you wonder about that, considering your past???

Indiana bob

Ireland:
Good question Bob. I have often thought about that. It seems that our soul will be what makes us different from each other, so in our spiritual bodies maybe we will still have some of our present characteristics. It is hard for me to believe that we will have any of our present weaknesses etc., but maybe our correct thinking will be a part of who we are. The scriptures say "we will be as he is", so surely our mental capabilities will far exceed what we experience now :P (at least I hope so!).  I wonder if our abilities here will reflect some of our future work in the kingdom to come. Will people that are mechanical apply that somehow to their future occupation, and maybe some that are gifted in counseling apply that in some way? Any ideas?

Revilonivek:
According to the bible, they say We are in corrupted bodies right now. In Jesus' Kingdom, we must put on un corrupt bodies. I would guess that would mean, no more mental disorders no more diseases or sicknesses, no more restriction.  That would mean we would be all equals. No difference among one another. we just unite as one. we would have no reason to stereotype. We would realize we are part of one another and part of the whole self. I think every brain is unique to themselves, it represent who the spirit is.. it set them apart from sameness.  I think who you are- as a whole, that includes what you love to do, your mind that you know to be yourself, your identity will inherit to the un corrupted bodies. That is just a theory.

Bible just says with the new body- it will not be corrupted. They didn't say much of what would be inherited.. I'm just guessing.

Denise

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