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Irony of ironies!
orion77:
Brandon, you seem to be the only one here, who is tearing everybody else down. So please, please enrich us with your knowledge. It might be good for a laugh.
Sincerely,
Gary
love_magnified:
--- Quote from: broken ---And as much as you may believe that those of us who believe in hell are deprived of joy, you are wrong. I can promise you that I have as much joy as you.
--- End quote ---
First of all that is impossible for you to say, unless you know just how joyful the gospel is. Think about what you are saying. How can you have that much joy knowing how many billions are going to burn forever? That gives you joy? Is it because YOU are saved so you have joy regardless of all the OTHER people who are going to suffer never ending torment? And you call that justice and you actually can take joy in your gospel? There is no joy in such a gospel. There is only a heart that must convince itself to be joyful through the salvation of SELF, and not the WHOLE WORLD. I know that BECAUSE I HAVE BEEN THERE. I come from that world, the eternal torment arena. I know what it is all about, the lingo, the language, and the explanations. I can compare the two. You cannot. It is a different kind of joy. Not only do I have joy in my salvation, but I have EXTRA joy in the eventual salvation of all mankind. No other gospel or faith even compares to that. Don't pretend that you have a joyful message to give to anyone. Because beneath the language of orthodoxy lies fear, darkness, pain and chaos for most of the world. If that is your "good news" you can have it. I'll believe the truth that heaven must recieve Christ until the times of the reconcilation of all things as promised to the prophets.
Falconn003:
love_magnified
A big A M E N on that post, could not have said it any better.
Does not take a rocket scientist to know that any joy deprived on the cruelty of others is true sadist.
Why does there have to exist a hell, for the satisfaction of salvation of a few ???
The THOUGHT of this form of separation, the cruelty and torment of many v.s. the joyeous salvation of a few, is so very sickening in nature, spirit and unmercyful to even find any ounce of joy within it.
But still these ideas are fed to a great multitude daily.
Rodger
eutychus:
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shibboleth:
In one of Rays papers, he asked a question about what the purpose of our time on earth was about. He said something that I will never forget and I quote: "Just what is this human life on earth for anyway?--Why are we here?--What is our purpose?--What is God's purpose for the Christian? As children we are taught that Christian people live; they die; their souls go to heaven. Bad pople live; they die; their souls go to hell. Live, die, go to heaven or live, die, go to hell. So I guess this earth is a giant "soul factory."
So, brandon, God created some people to burn forever and some people to be with Him forever?
Brandon, you have nothing to do with anyones salvation. Since God created all people He is responsible for their salvation. He set this world up and He causes all things to happen
So, tell me Brandon, why did God create all these people He knew would go to an eternity without Him? This is not a sovereign, loving, merciful God who would cause so many people to be tortured for no other purpose than they were born into a world they had no choice in being born into?
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