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indianabob:
Hi Stacey and thanks for your comments.
I agree fully with you.
I have wondered how we would explain where the precursors to Adam came from. Were there dozens or hundreds or just one couple, male and female that blossomed into hundreds to provide a source for Adam and Eve?
Wouldn't it be just as wonderful and just as amazing that there were precursors that could function in the environment of earth and reproduce independently?
Why was it necessary for our omniscient God to have precursors?
Did God have to practice? No, certainly not!
Did God have to build a test species to see how they would handle life on the planet?
Did God have to provide an "upgrade" to the original?
Honestly this sounds like what men would have to do.
It does not sound like what God would have to do.
So why would He?
Just wondering, Indiana Bob
indianabob:
Hi Stacey,
I fail to understand the teaching of paleontology that original humans didn't know how to till the ground. What is so hard about it?
You put some seeds in the ground and God waters them and the plant grows and gives back one hundred kernels of wheat, oats, barley and we strip the kernels off the head of grain and eat them raw.
Once we discover that they taste good and fill our need for food we gather the whole grain and take it back to our cave.
It is pretty obvious to me that most paleontologist have never lived off of the land.
One additional reason to distrust most folks with PhD's to their name.
Indiana Bob
--- Quote from: Stacey on March 19, 2012, 06:12:50 PM ---I read the emails JFK listed.
If the other humans were hunter/gatherers that didn't know how to till the ground, that alone certainly does not make them anything less than man or human like I would consider a Red Deer or Neanderthal to be IF they truly existed so, I have to ask, are we to believe that Red Deer People or Neanderthals were human or man?
Ray used the word 'advanced' man in those emails JFK mentioned. Now I can see where advanced could mean to be smarter but does that also mean that the other humans, the less advanced ones were more ape like?
Forgive my ignorance please. :-[ Surely all this has already been asked and answered a thousand times around here.
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indianabob:
Right Deborah,
there was no man....to till the ground.
It doesn't say though, if I am understanding, that the man didn't know how to till the earth and was limited to gathering apples from the trees. That was my point.
Indiana Bob
Kat:
Hi indianabob,
--- Quote ---Why was it necessary for our omniscient God to have precursors?
Did God have to practice? No, certainly not!
Did God have to build a test species to see how they would handle life on the planet?
Did God have to provide an "upgrade" to the original?
--- End quote ---
Well if we look at what I think science has proved, that human being did live on the earth for probably many thousands of years before when Adam lived. I do not feel that God had to practice, but it's just the way He is doing this creation. He gave things a start and then He let them progress over many thousands and millions and even billions of years.
So mankind was given a start and they did progress to the point that God wanted/caused them to come to and then He added to Adam whatever it was that he needed to become the 'advanced man' God wanted to start His plan of salvation with. We do not know what the mental capacity of people that lived before Adam was, but over all those thousands or maybe millions of years that they lived, they did not developed anything that was sophisticated that we how of. So maybe God gave to Adam and all of mankind after him a greater degree of comprehension/intelligence/reasoning so that he had more intuition about himself, the world and God.
When you look at history (here is a link to a Biblestudy on 'Dates to Remember' http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,10047.0.html) it was not until after Adam that we begin to see inventions start to come on the scene. They seem spread far apart, but I tend to think that Adams generation knew a great deal... Adam was taught by God Himself. There are many ancient discoveries, like huge stones (many tons in weight) that modern science has no idea how they were cut much less moved. But according to God's plan this knowledge was lost.
I am just trying to express these thoughts as maybe something that you had not considered and to be open for discussion.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
indianabob:
Hi Kat,
Thanks for the advice and the paper on dates. I read it all and appreciated it.
I didn't however see anything in it about any dates before 4000 BC.
Also please be aware that I'm referring only to the dates for animals or mankind and not the date that the planet began to exist.
So I'm still of the opinion that scientist are mistaken and even deceived to believe that the miniscule evidence they think they have found in bones that they have dated by guess and supposition proves that homo erectus is older than Adam.
Professional scientist are just as easily deceived by their desire for position and power as churchmen are. Even the good hearted, honest, church attending archaeologist are subject to error and of pressing for acceptance of their favorite theories and once they have had peer review and been accepted into the hallowed halls of Harvard or M.I.T. they become absolutely positive that they are correct.
I read and study archaeology with a teaspoon of salt and only believe what I can confirm. And yes I am an amateur/novice, but there are many more trained scientist to contradict these errors than there are L. Ray Smiths to contradict Babylonian Christendom and the charlatans that inhabit it.
Scientists studied radiation chemistry and mechanical engineering and took a chance and proved that the power in the atom was much much greater than anyone had previously imagined. Science done from that position, one of absolute proof through the results in nature is one thing. Speculating on theories that they have no hope of proving is quite another. And even in the instance of the Atom or Hydrogen bomb, who knows whether God's hand was in it? To teach us a lesson that we seem not to have as yet learned.
I would be sincerely interested in any proof that anyone has for evolution and for any absolute dating methods, including radioactive decay, that don't presume constant conditions since the beginning of time on the earth.
Kindly offered, Indiana Bob
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