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Kat:
Hi John,
I understand what you are saying, I know very well that no one can be saved by their own good works, there is no good in any of us. That is very clear and is not the point I was making. If we are one of the few then we know it is NOT by OUR works, but there surely will be works of God in us.
Ray's article 'Do James and Paul Contradict?' goes into this subject in depth. Here is the part in the article that I am talking about.
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,9742.msg82513.html#msg82513 -----
There it is! Why can’t people read that, there it is. That’s what Paul says in Ephesians 2, not by your works, but by works of God, you’re His workmanship, He’s going to do good works through you. Here he says, “See you how faith wrought with works, by works was faith made perfect.” Did Paul cast away good works? No, he said he was eager to do them. He said we should be zealous of them. He mentioned good works in the two page book of Titus about six times. Paul in Ephesians 2, you can’t separate faith and the good works that God will do in you. Can you see now that it’s faith BY works, was faith made perfect?
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I'm not saying we can save ourself if we get out and find ways to product enough good works. No, but the thing is the Spirit will cause you to "strive" and will do good works in you, if you are one of the few. I do not believe that anybody will wake up in the first resurrection and think, 'wow I made it and it wasn't that hard at all, I just waited on God and here I am.' I truly believe to be in that first resurrection His Spirit in us will bring about a great deal of striving and overcoming, which will product good works and you would certainly know you were in a hard, long race to get there. So yes we should strive, that is why Jesus said "Strive (fight, labor fervently) to enter in at the narrow gate" (Luke 13:24).
Just trying to get across my point.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
Rene:
--- Quote from: Kat on March 25, 2012, 10:42:30 PM ---
I truly believe to be in that first resurrection His Spirit in us will bring about a great deal of striving and overcoming, which will product good works and you would certainly know you were in a hard, long race to get there. So yes we should strive, that is why Jesus said "Strive (fight, labor fervently) to enter in at the narrow gate" (Luke 13:24).
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A point well made, Kathy. :)
René
Kat:
Hi John, very well put indeed. I am so glad to not have the burden of saving myself :)
mercy, peace and love
Kat
ez2u:
Mharrell08 read Isaiah 53:7 study it a little deeper the words
7 He was oppressed and tormented,
but didn’t open his mouth.
Like a lamb being brought to slaughter,
like a ewe silent before her shearers,
he didn’t open his mouth.
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: ez2u on March 28, 2012, 05:07:06 PM ---Mharrell08 read Isaiah 53:7 study it a little deeper the words
7 He was oppressed and tormented,
but didn’t open his mouth.
Like a lamb being brought to slaughter,
like a ewe silent before her shearers,
he didn’t open his mouth.
--- End quote ---
I'm not understanding the point you are attempting to get across....could you further explain please?
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