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Kat:

Hi Sky,

Welcome to the forum  :)
Here is something that Ray says about the ark being on Ararat, from the same conference.

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 Gen 8:4  And the ark rested in the seventh month, on the seventeenth day of the month, upon the mountains of Ararat.

It says that the ark came to rest on Ararat at the top of the mountain. It’s the same thing as the hills or it can mean the hill country.  But young earthers say, ‘yeah it landed on Ararat up there.’ Now in Turkey they call it Mount Ararat... it says “the mountains” or the hills of Ararat. It isn’t like one mountain, but now we’ve got one Mount Ararat. They’re up there looking for the ark and there is one that claims he found it. Of course he didn’t, he lies.

But that mountain is 17,000 ft tall. So think for a moment, just think here men and women. The ark lands at the top of Mount Ararat, 17,000 feet up in the sky and then the water slowly starts to dissipate. Noah sends out a dove and it comes back with an olive branch… growing 17,000 feett high in the sky? Olives don’t grow 17,000 feet on the top of mountains. See the Bible knows what it’s talking about, but young earth Christians and theologians don’t know what they’re talking about.
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mercy, peace and love
Kat

indianabob:
Dear Friend Kat,
I guess you got me there Kat.

Now I have a different problem.
Jesus read the old testament and chose not to correct the misunderstanding that we would obviously draw from what was presented about the genealogy and the historical statements.

The Bible as canonized is not a scientific manual, but Jesus being the son of God would know all of these facts very well. So, what are we to think? What are we to say to our detractors who point out these inconsistencies? Who decides which part of the scriptures is valid. In human relationships the most powerful and most popular organization gets to say what is acceptable.
So, there we have Roman Catholicism holding sway.

I know that this doesn't change what you or I believe, but is sure does add to the mystery.

Jesus said it would not be easy.
Will Jesus find faith on the earth when he returns??
Indiana Bob

Kat:

Hi Bob,

This is a good study, we are simply bringing out our thoughts for one another to consider. Having done the transcripts and reading what Ray said so many time in so doing, was a great blessing from God for me in that I have retained so of that info. So I bring it here for others to consider whenever I can  :)

Yes of course Jesus knew perfectly well what was in the OT Scriptures, He did inspire it's writing and no He did not correct things in it to better the understanding of it. I believe it is written as it is so there is the opportunity to create confusion, not so the meaning becomes clear, it allows for the Truth to be hidden in plain sight. We see the Scriptures are filled with parables, it's almost like a book of riddles. For a few God reveals the great mystery of the hidden meaning of it's words.

Mark 4:11  And He said to them, "To you it has been given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God...

For the many they read many false interpatations into the words in the Scriptures, as was intended, because this is the age of deception. Though we can see the Truth in the Scriptures, it becomes so obvious once revealed to those whose eyes are opened. But to the many it leads them to twist and turn in trying to understand and, as we bare witness to, they are simply blind to the true meaning in it and can not figure it out.

Mark 4:11  ...but to those who are outside, all things come in parables,
v. 12  so that
       "Seeing they may see and not perceive,
       And hearing they may hear and not understand;
       Lest they should turn,
       And their sins be forgiven them."

My favorite saying these days, it is what it is.

mercy, peace and love
Kat

Stacey:
Hey Bob, what really convinced me from the 08 conference is what Ray had to say about the impact craters. I had read some of the 08 conference but when Dave brought it up in Arc's topic we've been replying to, I read it all the way through and man what a eye opener it really was for me on the flood being world wide or not.

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