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Can we win souls for Christ?
indianabob:
Well said my friend,
And often we need only go so far as our own family.
It is not about how many people we reach; it is about how we share love wherever we have opportunity.
bob
Duane:
Kat--thank you for your answer about the Holy Spirit being Jesus and Jesus being the Comforter (Holy Spirit).
While that, in itself breaks up the Trinity concept, now that we know that Jesus OR the spirit of Jesus is the Holy Spirit, should we say "it" or "he"? (I wrote a post about this and NO ONE brought this up (?).)
I believe that I read that the spirit of the Father (GOD) is also in the BREATH of the spirit, or Holy Spirit. SO the Holy Spirit is made up OF the COMBINED spirits of Jesus and God the FATHER. (and seeing that God the Father can do NOTHING except thru Jesus--the holy spirit HAD TO await Jesus's death and resurrection-yes?)
Side point--Jesus WASconceived of the holy spirit so Jesus WAS part of His OWN conception!--because you can't SPLIT the holy spirit into --this portion is God the Father; and, this portion remaining-- is Jesus. (mind-blowing!)
WHICH also means that when the holy spirit is interceding to the Father in our behalf--is it REALLY Jesus (in the form of the Holy Spirit) talking to His Father on our behalf?
Kat:
Hi Duane,
Eph 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is above all and through all and in you all.
This is so easy to get confused, but I want to bring out one very important point, the Father is above all else. Jesus Christ came from the Father and all things were given to Christ from the Father.
John 16:28 I came forth from the Father, and have come into the world.
Luke 10:22 All things are delivered to Me by My Father...
You stated, "God the Father can do NOTHING except thru Jesus." Actually it quite the other way around.
John 5:19 Then Jesus answered and said to them, Truly, truly, I say to you, The Son can do nothing of Himself but what He sees the Father do. For whatever things He does, these also the Son does likewise.
v. 20 For the Father loves the Son and shows Him all the things that He Himself does...
John 8:28 Then Jesus said to them, When you have lifted up the Son of Man, then you shall know that I AM, and that I do nothing of Myself, but as My Father has taught Me, I speak these things.
v. 29 And He who sent Me is with Me. The Father has not left Me alone, for I always do those things which please Him.
Also here is an email from Ray.
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,4995.0.html -----------
The "Spirit" is the possession of God the Father--it is "The Spirit OF God." However, God has given His Son Jesus Christ this SAME spirit. God has shared ALL with His Son: "ALL power in heaven and earth is given Me" (Matt. 28:18). Jesus takes of the Spirit His Father has given Him and gives it to US (John 16:15). The "Comforter" (the "parakletos) IS JESUS. "And if any man sin, we have an Advocate [Gk: 'parakletos] with the Father, JESUS CHRIST the righteous" (I John 2:1). Jesus Christ IS, the Lord of the Old Testament; the Lord of the New Testament, the Comforter (Parakletos), which is the promised Holy Spirit, which comes to us through JESUS CHRIST, and so "The Lord is that SPIRIT."
God be with you,
Ray
Kat:
Hi Abednego,
To me the position of being at the 'right hand' of the Father is a figure of speach.
Mark 16:19 Then indeed, after speaking to them, the Lord was taken up into Heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.
Acts 7:55 But being full of the Holy Spirit, looking up intently into Heaven, he saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God.
v. 56 And he said, Behold, I see Heaven opened and the Son of Man standing on the right hand of God.
Col 3:1 If then you were raised with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ is sitting at the right hand of God.
I saw a comment in the Barnes commentary that struck me as very much the way I understand this.
We are not to suppose that God has hands, or that Jesus sits in any particular direction from God. This phrase is taken from the manner of speaking among men, and means that he was exalted to honor and power in the heavens. It was esteemed the place of the highest honor to be seated at the right hand of a prince. So, to be seated at the right hand of God, means that Jesus is exalted to the highest honor of the universe.
Eph 1:20-21 which He (the Father) worked in Christ in raising Him from the dead, and He seated Him at His right hand in the heavenlies, far above all principality and authority and power and dominion, and every name being named, not only in this world, but also in the coming age.
There is no greater position of exaltation, there is only one that can hold this place of honor to this Most High God, that goes to our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
Php 2:9-11 Therefore God has highly exalted Him, and has given Him a name which is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of heavenly ones, and of earthly ones, and of ones under the earth; and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
Duane:
Kat--thank you AGAIN! I really had it mixed up!! Thank you also for the threads--I learn so much!
Part b of my inquiry:
--Jesus WAS conceived of the holy spirit so Jesus WAS part of His OWN conception!--because you can't SPLIT the holy spirit into --this portion is God the Father; and, this portion remaining-- is Jesus. (mind-blowing!)
WHICH also means that when the holy spirit is interceding to the Father in our behalf--is it REALLY Jesus (in the form of the Holy Spirit) talking to His Father on our behalf?
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