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Troubles about Paul now...real apostle or not?
GaryK:
--- Quote from: Revilonivek on April 05, 2012, 11:42:12 PM ---but bottom line is
Paul does certainly stir the pot. It does cause tension with some people. That is why I want to look into it Denise
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Indeed Denise, Paul does certainly ‘stir the pot’ and I believe that was his mission set forth by God. The whole word of God stirs the pot, and yes, too, the word of God causes tension……in the heart. That isn’t a bad thing, that’s a good thing. And just like what you and Gene are doing…the questioning…we’ve all done, also. As for myself, I’ve never had a problem with Paul, he’s always been a glue and a hero for me when other writings were more questionable and hard to accept than Paul. So I understand. But as Ray repeats over and over again we all have begun to read “all the words”. Don’t beat yourself for that. Questioning is the precursory and that also comes from God. This is what happens when one comes to a beginning of realizing something isn’t ‘right’ with what is taught in the church and a search begins for what is true. How many times have you seen written on this forum and from Ray too that you’re not here by ‘accident’. You question, you search, BAM!!.......you’re here. But as Ray also teaches if the acceptance doesn’t so readily come to your heart, in part or whole, you can believe that is of plan also.........for a time. I don’t believe anyone is judging hard for your questions, but, at some point and as Craig suggested the flag requires a gentle wind so as not to flap so wildly and a side is to be taken as to believing what is truth………..which I also believe is the full intent of every lesson, individually and collectively, of L. Ray Smith and Bible Truths.
gk
Craig:
Denise I like questions, blind faith has lead multitudes to destruction.
Now your latest post, it is toooo long. Keep it to one, no more than two questions, find the scriptures you have that back up your question or confuse you and give members a chance to respond. Keep the discussion focused on one thing and after it is hashed out as well as it can, ask the second question and so on.
If I dived head first into your posts I would get seasick ;) Old age I guess....
Craig
GaryK:
--- Quote from: Revilonivek on April 05, 2012, 11:42:12 PM ---
Why did Jesus say this to the Esphesians in Revelations?
Revelation 2
1Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks;
2I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:
Denise
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As for your question, Ray addresses this here: http://bible-truths.com/lake10.html
"WHERE IS THE SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN?
The synagogue of Satan is located in the churches—in The Church!
"…you have tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and have found them liars" (Rev. 2:2.)
Where did the Ephesians try those false, lying, apostles? In some pagan temple or church down the street, or across town, or in some foreign land? Or maybe in the pagan religion of the Roman occupation? No, in the Church. Jesus Christ says:
"Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write… thou have tried them which say they are apostles [in the church of Ephesus], and are not" (Rev. 2:1a & 2b.)
Where did Jesus know these lying apostles? Why, in the Church, of course. Of what consequence would "lying apostles" of some pagan religion be to the churches of God in Asia?
And where did Jesus say the synagogue of Satan is located? Same place—in the Church:
"And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write… I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews [in the Smyrna church], and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan… And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write… I will make them of the synagogue of Satan [in the Philadelphia church], and are not but do lie…" (Rev. 2:8 & 9; 3:7 & 9.)
All seven of the churches were well aware of many pagan gods and pagan religions. These seven cities in Asia were filled with MANY PAGAN GODS."
gk
santikos:
After all the dust clears......Jesus is still the Savior of mankind
John from Kentucky:
--- Quote from: santikos on April 06, 2012, 02:08:08 PM ---After all the dust clears......Jesus is still the Savior of mankind
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Two of the principal verses supporting the salvation of all mankind are found in Paul's writings in 1st Timothy.
By trying to discredit Paul, Satan and his messengers hope to discredit the truth of universal salvation, among other things.
Isn't it ironic that Satan attacks now, during the Passover season? He killed Jesus once. Now he attempts to do the same thing by raising doubts about the Word of God, Who is Jesus.
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