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Topaz:
Well after realizing the General discussion area will be closing and we are to put our question here....that is IF I understood that correctly.  I mistakenly put this question first in the General discussion....so I am now placing it here...hoping it is in the right place....whew!!!   Have I confused anyone yet?
My question was...

I know Ray has probably wrote about this, but I have not run across it and would very much like to know.
An explanation of Jesus not coming to abolish the law to to fulfill. 
I am very confused.
If someone can point me in the right direction I would very much appreciate it.

Thank you for at least reading my confusion and correct me if I am in the wrong place again....... ;D

rocky:

--- Quote from: Topaz on July 19, 2006, 02:25:26 AM ---Well after realizing the General discussion area will be closing and we are to put our question here....that is IF I understood that correctly.  I mistakenly put this question first in the General discussion....so I am now placing it here...hoping it is in the right place....whew!!!   Have I confused anyone yet?
My question was...

I know Ray has probably wrote about this, but I have not run across it and would very much like to know.
An explanation of Jesus not coming to abolish the law to to fulfill. 
I am very confused.
If someone can point me in the right direction I would very much appreciate it.

Thank you for at least reading my confusion and correct me if I am in the wrong place again....... ;D

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This is my understanding, to me, the law written in stone for the carnal man results in one thing, the administration of death.  Fleshly man, no matter how hard he tries to follow the law; failes.  Self effort to follow the law always fails. 

The law is good, it is Holy. 

Rom 7:12  Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

The problem is in carnal man, it doesnt' change us; it only shows us our shortcomings.  And it stimulates sin (anything not of faith is sin); so it stimulates increased self effort.  The wages of sin is death.  Death is good, it leads us to giving up on self effort. 

Rom 7:13  Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.

Rom 7:9  For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.

Rom 7:10  And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.

Rom 7:11  For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.


Christ, fufilled the law completely (not externally by self effort, or carnal effort), but internally by trusting/fatih in the Father.  Internal fufilling of the law is only completed by trust/faith.  Christ lived a life of complete trust/faith in God the father, therefore fufilling the law.

This is to me, why it is the faith of Christ that saves us.  Christ by living in complete faith, never relied on self effort for his righteousness and holiness. 

We are to never rely on self effort either; we have our elder brother to trust and have faith in.  Once self effort leads to death; we can cry out Oh wretched man I am, and turn to the faith of Christ. 

This is why the law is our schoolmaster to lead us to Christ; external effort to do the law, leads to exceeding sin (self effort) and sin's wages is death.  Death is a good place to be; from their trusting in Christ will lift us out of death. 

Hope this makes sense. 

 

Topaz:

--- Quote ---Christ, fufilled the law completely (not externally by self effort, or carnal effort), but internally by trusting/fatih in the Father.  Internal fufilling of the law is only completed by trust/faith.  Christ lived a life of complete trust/faith in God the father, therefore fufilling the law.
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Thank you for your response...I thought Jesus also obeyed the ordinances and laws while He was on earth.....is it that He obeyed until all was fulfilled upto and through His resurrection.  In other words, while He was in the flesh, the laws and ordinances were to be obeyed, but AFTER His resurrection the fulfillment occured......?????  Therefore as He took on the sins He also took the laws and ordinances????
I think I am confusing myself...
God be with us.....
Topaz

Topaz:

--- Quote ---The law makes us realize we're bad.  Christ shows us another way and God's grace gets us where we need to go.
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Sounds like that is the hop, skip and jump of it.
Does that include the eating of clean and unclean meats?????
I have heard many discussions regarding that a pig is not to be eaten....yet..I find in Romans 14:20 "For meat destroy not the work of God.  All things indeed are pure; but it is evil for that man that eateth with offence"
I was under the understanding that the pig WAS unclean to all. But now I beleive that it is only offensive to those that consider it unclean...or am I wrong in thinking that all things God has given us to eat of are cleansed. 
God be with us...
Topaz

mongoose:
Topaz,  some say pigs are unclean and other's don't.  For me, I follow Paul's guidance on this.  If you feel it is a sin, don't do it (because it doesn't come from faith).  But make up your own mind about this and don't let anyone else judge you about eating or not eating or drinking or not drinking or festivals.  Talk to God and let Him guide you (in everything, but in these things in particular).  Oh, and don't cause someone else to stumble by trying to get them to eat what they think is a sin to eat (which you probably wouldn't do anyway).  Basically, talk to God....get His anwer (make up your mind) and don't worry about it but also don't argue about it.  I personally don't eat pork.....because I don't like the way it tastes  ;D.

Look in some of Paul's letters (Galations for one) and see what he says about these things.  It might clear some stuff up.

mongoose

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