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On HELL---a few of God's random omissions!
mavis92379:
"God created hell when Adam and Eve sinned."
Where in the world did you come up with that ?
Duane,
Thanks for this post. I love stuff like this. Here are 3 of the same kind of thoughts :
1) Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
How do you squeeze an eternal hell into this verse (pun) ! Wouldnt that be far greater than the great tribulation which Jesus claims will be the worst ?!?!?!
2) Mat 11:23 And thou, Capernaum, which art exalted unto heaven, shalt be brought down to hell: for if the mighty works, which have been done in thee, had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day.
Wait a second, If Jesus performed miracles in Sodom it would have remained ? (pun) This verse destroys free will. Without Christ you can do nothing ! Salvation is entirely up to God.
3) I once asked a friend who is an eternal hell advocate :
What do you ask an unbeliever to believe in ? He said, I ask them to believe that Jesus died for their sins.
I responded by asking, So basically if Jesus didnt die for their sins than they would have nothing to believe in to be saved ?
He said that was correct ! I than asked him, If an atheist denies Gods work in creation does that work become false because they deny it ? He said no ! I asked than HOW do you condemn these to HELL for not embracing WHAT IS THE TRUTH OF GODS WORK AT CALVARY, THAT JESUS DIED FOR THEIR SINS ? ( Which you ask them all to believe ).
I did not get an answer and just closed with :
1Ti 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
1Ti 2:6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
God desires all men to come INTO THE TRUTH (that Jesus died for our sins). This truth will testify itself to ALL in due time !!!
These truths are so simple it takes a reverse miracle to hide what is so plain !
Duane:
Santgent--I see NO BIBLE verses (remember it takes TWO witnesses (verses/referencs) to be considered valid) that say that "hell is/was invented when Adam/Eve sinned".
Two problems:
Adam and Eve sinned way before the "Tree of the knowledge of good and evil" but it wasn't held against them because God had not yet "invented the sin concept" so there was no right/wrong standard by which to judge right and wrong or "pleasing or not pleasing" to God.
2. Jesus will hand the "keys of the kingdom" to God when ALL men have passed thru the Lake of Fire and ALL are saved. Then "death and hell (grave) will be cast into the Lake of Fire" and God will be "ALL in ALL!
santgent--if you follow Harrells advice and read Ray's "papers" you will see that when the Bible refers to "hell" it is talking about the "unseen/buried" NOT a place of eternal burning/torture. Also, many local references were made that "sounded hell-like" referring to the commonly known Ghenna/Valley of Himnon (garbage dump) outside the city of Jerusalem.
As long as you are NOT promoting new beliefs/ideas, we welcome your questions/thoughts--as we all started out this way--And I remember being gently guided and corrected as my head was full of "fundamentalist" thinking and it took about a year and a half of intense study before it all "fell in place".. THEN PEACE!!!
Joel:
Genesis 2:17 But of the tree of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof THOU SHALT SURELY DIE.
Genesis 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, YE SHALL NOT SURELY DIE:
Hell no, DEATH yes. Most Christians certainly do hear more about hell that God never mentioned, than they do of the promise of death that God warned Adam about.
Most hell fire and brimstone preachers that I have heard insinuate that when you die you either go straight to hell, or directly to heaven. So in essence you never die, and in effect they are lying on the God they are supposedly serving.
I am thankfull for Ray and the effort he has put forth to expose those that contradict. His gift of God is only evident to those God has allowed to have their eyes opened to the Truth.
If you died tonight, where would you be tomorrow? (DEAD)
Joel
santgem:
--- Quote from: Duane on April 25, 2012, 05:36:06 PM ---Santgent--I see NO BIBLE verses (remember it takes TWO witnesses (verses/referencs) to be considered valid) that say that "hell is/was invented when Adam/Eve sinned".
Two problems:
Adam and Eve sinned way before the "Tree of the knowledge of good and evil" but it wasn't held against them because God had not yet "invented the sin concept" so there was no right/wrong standard by which to judge right and wrong or "pleasing or not pleasing" to God.
2. Jesus will hand the "keys of the kingdom" to God when ALL men have passed thru the Lake of Fire and ALL are saved. Then "death and hell (grave) will be cast into the Lake of Fire" and God will be "ALL in ALL!
santgent--if you follow Harrells advice and read Ray's "papers" you will see that when the Bible refers to "hell" it is talking about the "unseen/buried" NOT a place of eternal burning/torture. Also, many local references were made that "sounded hell-like" referring to the commonly known Ghenna/Valley of Himnon (garbage dump) outside the city of Jerusalem.
As long as you are NOT promoting new beliefs/ideas, we welcome your questions/thoughts--as we all started out this way--And I remember being gently guided and corrected as my head was full of "fundamentalist" thinking and it took about a year and a half of intense study before it all "fell in place".. THEN PEACE!!!
--- End quote ---
i did not read any of the references that you are talking with. It is not my intention to give new doctrine as i have no capacity to do so, it's only my idea.
Do not look of what i said literally.
Is it not when we sin the wages is death? death is end of being alive. if you are not alive then you are dead. if you are dead then you are in hell in sheol in hades in pit. Did not God also creates sin? If not so, who creates sin?
then,
Is not also God will abolished death? so that God will be all in all!
Dave in Tenn:
Understood, Santgem. Sheol-Hades-the Pit- are all translated "Hell" (at least in the KJV) or 'presumed to be Hell' by almost all in Christendom. You're speaking figuratively among brothers and sisters who understand that. Every form of ""hell"" will be done away with. Thanks.
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