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Was Job a real person?
Kat:
Hi Denise,
--- Quote ---Why didn't the bible use his actual name? Why didn't the bible say he was a pharoah? why not just say that? and even better, say he was a phoraoh of egypt? They were clear with Joseph. Why not Job?
Why did he build the pyramids? Why did his children build the pyramids if they believed in the One God of the Jews?
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Yeah we all wish that the Scriptures had so much more information, but God gave us what He wanted it to be, it is what it is. He can teach us anything He wants us to know from what is there.
I think Ray threw out this bit of curious information about the possibility that Job was a Pharaoh as a side note. This is interesting, but not a profound truth by any means, so why all the fuss? To me I can't see whether it matters much either way.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
Stacey:
IF Ray is 100% totally wrong about this it doesn't change even one tidbit about everything that he is 100% totally right about. It would only prove one thing; that he is still human like the rest of us.
I like the thought of Job being a Pharaoh but I'm not gonna go digging and investigating to the ends of the world trying to figure if Ray is right or wrong about any of this.
Rene:
--- Quote from: Kat on May 05, 2012, 06:38:59 AM ---
I think Ray threw out this bit of curious information about the possibility that Job was a Pharaoh as a side note. This is interesting, but not a profound truth by any means, so why all the fuss? To me I can't see whether it matters much either way.
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I totally agree. This topic has, however, inspired me to read portions of the book of Job again, and I have found much delight in reading our Creator's response to Job in chapters 38-40. :)
René
Revilonivek:
for me, I don't think he was a phorah, because for many people in the bible- they rarely fail to mention if they were a phroah or not and the dating is also way off.
It was an important detail someone doesn't miss. It's like writing a book, writing a story, if you are going to write about a character. It would totally make the story make more sense if you say who the character you write about, for example,
It would make alot of sense to identify who Job was. The bible say Job was already righteous about everything else and faithful to God except for self-righteousness.
The first impression for me, when i read the story of job in the past, is that he was a wealthy man who lost everything and then gained everything back after he proved his faith in God and learned a thing or two. He was mocked by his religious friends, they thought he sinned against God, he suffered with leper, he lost his 10 children- he lost his home, etc. and then after a time, after he learned a thing or two, he gained it all back. 10 more children, he was healed of leper, and so on.. THat was it. They didn't really say anything about who Job was. The important details about job are missing except that he was wealthy.
I did say it's something to think about. I would believe Joseph to be one of the phorahs, He was also descendent of Abraham and Jacob. Joseph is Abraham's great grandson as well.
Noah was born around 2700 BC- he died at 950 years old. The flood came when Noah was 600 years old. which means The pyramids existed before the flood.
Abraham was born between 2000 Bc to 1850 BC. That is way after like 500- 700 years after Phorah Khufu reigned.
Pharoah Khufu reigned from 2589 B.C. to 2566B.C. in the 4th dynasty.
So that means Phaorah Khufu can't be Job, because Job is a descendent of Abraham and Esau and Abrham hasn't been born yet.
We know there are two jobab in the old testament. In one, in Genesis 36 says Jobab is a descendent of Esau and reigned for a time. You can read the whole chapter of 36 to make sense. It also indicates Jobab is a descendent of Abraham as well and did say that they were very wealthy.
Genesis 36:
32 And Bela the son of Beor reigned in Edom: and the name of his city was Dinhabah.
33 And Bela died, and Jobab the son of Zerah of Bozrah reigned in his stead.
34 And Jobab died, and Husham of the land of Temani reigned in his stead.
Denise
Extol:
--- Quote from: Revilonivek on May 05, 2012, 10:33:19 AM ---
The important details about job are missing except that he was wealthy.
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Hi Denise,
Job's identity isn't as important as the spiritual truths that are to be found in the book. If you're reading Job as a biography, then yes, you could say a lot of "important details" are missing. But it's not a historical biography, it's Holy Scripture written for our admonition. With that in mind, it's not that big a deal if Job was or wasn't a pharaoh. It's fun from the historian's viewpoint (History is one of my favorite subjects) to study and try to find out whether he was a pharaoh...but it's not very important from a spiritual viewpoint.
There is a lot we can take from the book of Job (like this: http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,4582.msg35248.html#msg35248) without knowing his "true identity." 8)
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