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Is this really marriage?
whyisthatso:
No matter what the gay community wants to call marriage, or how the world wants to define it, it is not possible for two people of the same gender to "marry". This is why God created them male and female. " ...for this cause (sex). and ..." a man shall leave his father and mother and cleave unto his wife, and they shall become one flesh". ( another human being ). Sex is what we are, not what we do. The union of two of the same sex produces no children, and therefore it is impossible for them to "marry" (become one).
Samson:
--- Quote from: onelovedread on May 12, 2012, 03:43:58 PM ---I've read Ray's papers and email comments on homosexuality and I have a general question.
Based on the definition(s) of marriage found in the scriptures, is the recent phenomenon of same 'sex marriage' really marriage in God's sight?
Or is what has been declared to be legal in many states, still just only a civil union in the eyes of God?
I guess what I am asking is can man actually change the meaning and definition of an institution that was created by God?
--- End quote ---
OneLovedread,
The following comments and quotes may be a little off track specifically regarding same sex Marriage and none of the following comments and quotes are meant to personally attack Homosexuals, since I don't have any personal agenda against them, some of the nicest people are gay and have treated Me better than many a Heterosexual. However, I think that current state of affairs regarding wide acceptance of Gay Marriage and other sexual perversions have culminated to the current Moral decay with it's widespread immoral acceptance in at least this Country. Quotes below from Twin Towers Article Below, randomly selected to tie into the present Same Sex Marriage wide spread acceptance. Quotes in Blue(My favorite Color).
And, of course, every one of these definitions also have definitions, and so after a couple of generations of definitions, we have a mountain of evil, sick, greedy, perverse carnality. And that is why Isaiah starts off his prophetic book with these words:
"Ah sinful nation [OUR nation], a people laden with iniquity, a seed of evildoers, children that are corrupters: they have forsaken the Lord, they provoked the Holy One of Israel unto anger, they are gone out of the way backward.
Why should you be stricken any more? You will revolt more and more: the whole head is sick, and the whole heart is faint. From the sole of the foot even unto the head there is NO SOUNDNESS IN IT…" (Isa. 1:4-6a).
AMERICA—A CHRIST-LIKE NATION OR A "CHRISTIAN" NATION?
I could write a lengthy article on all the sins and abuses, crime and corruption in the United States, but that is not the emphasis of this paper, although it is a very important part of it. Let me make just one observation for you:
The United States is a "Christian" nation, but is not very "Christ-like." Of all Americans, 82% claim to be Christian; only 4 percent are atheists. Now then, the United States has 2,000,000 of her citizens in jail (that’s one out of every 136 persons). That’s a higher per capita rate than Iraq!—seven times that of Germany. The state of Maryland has more of her citizens in prison (not per capita, but more numbers of prisoners) than the entire country of Canada. In fact, the United States of America has a larger per capita prison population than ANY OTHER NATION ON EARTH, AND MOST ALL AMERICAN PRISONERS ARE CHRISTIANS. A total of 7,000,000 Americans are either in prison, on probation, or on parole.
Okay, just one more statistic: Seventy-two percent of Americans believe that Politicians are CORRUPT! Do we think that statistic is baseless? According to CBS News 58% of Americans think that corruption in government is "WIDESPREAD." Well, did Isaiah prophesy: "…the whole HEAD is sick."
God Almighty slaps America across their face with this horrendous destruction of property and life in New York City, and what do we do? Do we beseech God to forgive us for all of our crimes, evils, sins, and corruption? No, we join "shoulder to shoulder" and sing "God Bless American" without repenting of any of our sins. We haven’t sinned: only the terrorists sinned.
"Every one that is proud in heart [‘We are more united than ever…’ ] is an abomination to the Lord: though HAND JOIN IN HAND [...Congress stood SHOULDER TO SHOULDER], he shall not go UNPUNISHED" (Prov. 16:5).
"Here in this majestic National Cathedral we see all around us symbols of the cross. For the Christian – I’m speaking for the Christian now – the cross tells us that God understands our sin…"
COMMENT: Yes, of course, God "understands our sin," but let’s not use a phrase like that to turn the cross of Jesus into license to sin without repentance.
"Understanding" is not synonymous with "condoning." Do we think the nearly 3000 people who fell with the Twin Towers were sinners above all men that dwell in New York City?
"Or those eighteen, upon whom the tower in Siloam fell, and slew them, think ye that they were sinners above all men that dwelt in Jerusalem? I tell you NAY: but, except ye [ALL OF YOU] REPENT, YE SHALL ALL LIKEWISE PERISH" (Luke 13:4)
Don’t get on God’s “froward” side. For if we insist on doing abominable things, God will turn those abominations back on us.
Israel sacrificed their children in the fire to Molech. Are we not spiritually sacrificing our children in America as well?
Young people's entertainment like MTV is polluting our children's minds with blatant sexual simulations in dance and music lyrics. Our CHILDREN'S ROLE MODELS KISS and FONDLE members of the SAME SEX live on TV for all to see. Rebecca Hagelin reported:
"In 171 hours of MTV programming, PTC analysts found 1,548 sexual scenes containing 3,056 depictions of sex or various forms of nudity and 2,881 verbal sexual references" (WorldNetDaily Exclusive Commentary).
Our public school system is a sham. Up to 40% of school teachers in Washington D.C. send their own children to private schools.CHILDREN ARE FORCED in public schools to learn alternative life styles, in other words, they are TAUGHT TO ACCEPT SEXUAL PERVERSIONS as natural and normal.
Even the example-setting pastors of huge mega churches are often money-motivated, money-crazed, money-worshipping clowns or worse: thieves, liars, murderers, and PRACTICING HOMOSEXUALS.
While it is true that ancient Israel sacrificed children in the fire to Molech, it may have been relatively few--dozens, perhaps hundreds. But America's abortion clinics have killed an estimated 40 million unborn babies. That's more killings than were committed by Saddam Hussein, Adolph Hitler, and Mao Zetong, COMBINED!
We are POISONING OUR CHILDREN'S MINDS, their souls, their bodies, and their very spirits. We are killing them by the millions before they draw even their first breath. Do you think that we shall go unpunished for these unspeakable abominations?
God is going to bring back “Tophet of old,” only this time “deeper and larger” with “fire and much wood” and “kindled with brimstone.” Not literally, but figuratively—Tophet is the symbolic setting of Isaiah’s prophecy “when the TOWERS FALL.”
Make no mistake about it: There will be hell to pay in the years ahead. Our sins have reached to high heaven, and our leaders fiddle while our great spiritual leaders "speak unto us SMOOTH things and prophesy DECEIT" in our darkest hours and in our greatest need to repent and turn to God. I don’t apologize for how that sounds to many of you, but not to all, I hope.
CAPS ABOVE ARE MINE FOR EMPHASIS
Just thought that this might tie in to the discussion, because when sexual perversions and unnatural Marriages are considered "Normal" and widely accepted, it follows a pattern repeated from History regarding Past Empires and Nations.
Kind Regards, Samson.
Dennis Vogel:
Ray recently compared gay marriage to "kosher pork." Impossible.
Gina:
Kosher pork. haha Ain't no such thing!
I'm wondering, which of the two men are going to agree to being the "weaker" sex?
And which of the women will be gracious enough to agree?
The whole notion is rooted in "equality." News flash!! Not everyone are equals. A child isn't equal to their father and man isn't equal with a woman. A woman isn't equal with a man. A civilian isn't equal to a police officer, or a judge or what have you. Marriage between two people of the same gender is not equal to a marriage between a man and a woman.
(Did you hear about the same sex couple who got married and are now seeking divorce, but they're having a major hard time being granted one?! )
Gina:
Article:
For same-sex couples, calling it quits can be harder than saying "I do."
http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2012-03-17/news/bs-md-ar-same-sex-divorce-20120317_1_gay-divorce-divorce-hearing-uncontested-divorce
See, if this same-sex couple was equal with the person in charge of their divorce papers, they could just grant themselves a divorce. But they aren't, so they can't.
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