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Is all Sin really the same?
Gina:
p.s. I don't mean to be disrespectful to Ray or to God or anyone else. I'm just saying what I feel, right or wrong. It's how I feel. I do believe there's a really good explanation for the things God does and I know better than to put Him on trial.
John from Kentucky:
--- Quote from: onelovedread on May 15, 2012, 01:31:44 PM ---Thanks, JFK. You're entirely within your right to refuse to explain yourself. I respect that.
As to the the statement "God hates the sin, but loves the sinner" isn't it a matter of context? C'mon now, God made the sinner and gave him the nature that sins. So if you say that God hates the sinner, WITHOUT QUALIFYING IT, then it makes no sense, as you're insinuating that God made his creation with a natural flaw, and then hates his creation for operating according to that natural flaw.
I'd prefer to say that God can not countenance sin and does not condone it. I think Ray is saying that God is not going to love man who sins and just dismisses it as his nature. And he made a provision - "But God only "commended" or "introduced" or "exhibited" that love ahead of time."
It seems to me to be less than being impeccable with words to say that He hates the man who commits the sin, without explaining fully.
It's great to be humorous. I love humor. But as I've been told, one has to have some regard for the differing levels of understanding of those who may read these posts.
I will ignore your comment - (which I attached twice before) since I have read the article over 5 times. I thought the purpose of this forum was to discuss Ray's teachings.
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Onelovedread,
;D ;D ;D You are killing me. This will be my last comment on this matter.
You do realize the the statement "God hates sin..." and that the statement is unscriptural---that came from Ray in his article? Your disagreement is with Ray. Please email him directly with your concerns. Be sure and tell him that you think it's a matter of "context". You do know what Ray thinks of context, context, context? ;D
The scriptures say that "Two cannot walk together unless they be agreed". I agree with Ray's scriptural analysis in that article. He just didn't give two scriptures but multiple scriptures, and he didn't list all the scriptures on that subject. So, what is there to discuss? Conversation kind of dried up. On this subject, you need to go your way, and I'll go mine. Take care.
John
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: Gina on May 15, 2012, 03:00:30 PM ---
--- Quote ---However, when sinning becomes a way of life, and the sins are of a certain magnitude and grossness, God hates the sinner as well as his sins.
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But didn't God hate Esau before he was ever born? Before he had done anything good or evil
--- End quote ---
God did not like who Esau would become, it had nothing to do with what had yet to happen. God already knew everything that would happen in Esau's life.
mharrell08:
God doesn't hate the way we as humans hate neither does he love the way we love. This discussion will never end because God does not fit in the limited usage we have for words such as 'love' and 'hate'. There's a reason the older languages had many variations of love because all love is not the same love.
If this discussion cannot move forward instead of members repeating themselves over and over again, it might be time for this thread to be locked. Hopefully it won't come to that and our maturity as members will win out. ;)
Marques
onelovedread:
What were we arguing about again? ???
I forget. :P And I am tired. JFK, you are my brother and I am sorry if "I am killing you." We're cool man. I get your point and I think we're saying the same thing. (As a matter of fact, Kat quoted from the same part of Ray's paper that I did). Marques makes an excellent point about limited usage. No problem, everything is irie.
One love!
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