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Duane

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Re: Smokers
« Reply #20 on: June 08, 2012, 04:53:53 AM »

I QUIT smoking the easy way!  I had a stroke that paralyzed the whole left side of my body!  After months in rehab in the hospital with no cigarettes--the desire was GONE! 
B-U-T, if I took just ONE PUFF of a cigarette --I would be back in the habit STRONGER THAN BEFORE!

Once earlier I successsfully quit in two weeks and completely quit until i thought I could "just have one cigarette with my wife"! (see above!!)  I did it by taking a full ashtray of ashes and adding water until it became a "paste" and set it in the middle of the dining room table.  As I ate I looked at that disgusting sludge and pictured it being in my LUNGS!
Then, I VOWED to myself that before I had my next cigarette I would during the sludge!  I QUIT!!!!
Then my wife returned from 3 weeks in California and I was relaxed and (see above, above!)  Heavier than before --then the STROKE ended it PERMANENTLY and I know Better now!! (tho I can't say I NEVER get the "urge/temptation!)
Hope this helps--sludge-eater!  :-)
In Christ,
Duane
P.S. MAN is God's ONLY creature --that spends half of his life-- developing HABITS that SHORTEN the other half!!  Selah!
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servias

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Re: Smokers
« Reply #21 on: June 30, 2012, 11:15:53 PM »

Yesterday I hit 100 days of no tobacco or nicotine!  It can be done!
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doug

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Re: Smokers
« Reply #22 on: July 01, 2012, 02:30:39 AM »




Why would any body want to have their lungs look like this??  And all the other damage it causes to your body? 

I tried it once.... when I was 12 years old.... I had an early morning paper route (4:00 am) and smoked a cigar.  Don't know how or where I got it but I didn't know that one wasn't supposed to inhale the smoke.  I remember I got so sick that I could hardly ride my bike home and when I got there I crashed into my front lawn and threw up for about a half hour.  Don't think I ever went to school that day either!

That event cured me for life.  Along with seeing what my fellow boot camp marines had to endure when they were caught smoking....  had to put a water pail over their heads and smoke a whole pack at once without using their hands.... just seeing that made me want to die....
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Gina

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Re: Smokers
« Reply #23 on: July 01, 2012, 03:01:26 AM »

That picture doesn't scare me one bit.  ::)  That does nothing to set this captive free. 
But thanks anyway, Doug.  Can't say you didn't try!
« Last Edit: July 01, 2012, 03:04:08 AM by Gina »
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eagle

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Re: Smokers
« Reply #24 on: July 01, 2012, 06:27:36 AM »

" Tobacco is the passion of the honest and upright man. The man who doesn`t enjoy tobacco hasn`t deserved to live" -- Moliere.

Of course when I do quit myself, I will distance myself to the above quote.
Thats how my carnal mind works, but until then, Moliere is my kind of guy.
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theway

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Re: Smokers
« Reply #25 on: July 01, 2012, 07:56:33 AM »

Well i always said if God wanted you to smoke you world have been born with a chimney on your head but i guess like any bad habit it would be hard to stop but let me tell you this my Dad smoked most of his life doesn't now though and his at a ripe old age 94 and some non smokers in his family got cancer so i guess we have to just keep praying for all God Bless you all  oh! i never smoked thanks to the Good Lord  Amen
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Gina

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Re: Smokers
« Reply #26 on: July 04, 2012, 06:11:20 PM »

Well i always said if God wanted you to smoke you world have been born with a chimney on your head but i guess like any bad habit it would be hard to stop but let me tell you this my Dad smoked most of his life doesn't now though and his at a ripe old age 94 and some non smokers in his family got cancer so i guess we have to just keep praying for all God Bless you all  oh! i never smoked thanks to the Good Lord  Amen

Thank you! :)
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Foxx

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Re: Smokers
« Reply #27 on: July 05, 2012, 12:26:36 PM »

I'll add my two cents.

I worked in a cigar shop lounge for over 3 years as a Tobacconist. We sold cigars, pipes and pipe tobacco. I got the job not knowing anything about cigars. However it seemed interesting to me so I did my best to learn everything I could. It was a pretty nice job for the most part. We had big comfy chairs where people could smoke and talk and watch sports. There was a large walk in humidor with the thousands of cigars we sold, I had to know all of them. I had to know who made them, where they were from, what leaves were used, and the strength and taste of them.

 So first off it needs to be noted that cigars and cigarettes are not the same, cigars are 100% pure tobacco and no, you do not inhale them into your lungs. Cigars are an olfactory and oral pleasure and a poor substitute for those who smoke cigarettes. Cigarettes are sometimes are not 100% tobacco, there are bits of paper soaked in juices of the tobacco leaves sometimes as well as the actual bits of leaves. The filter reduces the strength which is why it is possible to inhale and not choke.

I have had a lot of time to contemplate the whole smoking thing. Honestly, the severity its hazards are grossly overstated. A person who occasionally smokes will not get cancer or lung disease. There is not one single death certificate in the world which states "cause of death smoking" or "cause of death second hand smoke".  Why? Because its impossible and the doctors can't say it. But if you have ever smoked for a period of time and you get some kind of cancer when you're 70 years old they will say it was because of the smoking you did 5, 10, or 20 years ago. To the medical community any amount of smoking is bad for you and will make you sick...wrong.

What is the age that most people die? Anywhere from 65-85 right? And how old do most people die of cancer if they chronically smoked? About that same time frame, between 65-85. So in other words the people who have spent 20 or 40 years smoking died about the time something was going to kill them anyway! Something is bound to get you when you reach that age! The medical community doesn't have a leg to stand on. If people were dying at age 35 then I would say smoking is a bad idea but since most people who smoke die when they are older anyway and you could die from anything at that point does it really matter? My grandfather did tobacco his whole life and lived to 92.

Now am I saying its a good idea to smoke 1 to 3 packs of cigarettes a day? No of course not. Then again if you were someone who ate ice cream everyday, or ate cheeseburgers everyday, or a bag of potato chips everyday, or drank a lot of alcohol everyday I would say that you shouldn't do that either. The world is so fixated on telling us how horribly and things are for us they don't even stop to consider some simple common sense approaches to things.

I think obesity is more of an epidemic than smoking but you dint here lobbyists rushing to ban McDonalds do you? But would anyone argue that McDonalds is somehow good for you? No of course not! Everyone knows its crappy food and not good for you but Americans eat there everyday, some people multiple times a week. They have high blood pressure, are obese and have a myriad of health problems but no one will say that McDonalds should be banned. Why? Because it is up to YOU to eat there in MODERATION. 

The same goes for smoking, if you smoke a pack or two or three a day is it really going to be a surprise if EVENTUALLY after several decades something negative will happen to your health? Especially considering that many cigarettes do have chemicals in them and are not all natural tobacco (not all but many). . My point to this rant is that smoking, like all things we ingest, can only be bad for your health if you do it too much.  Is there an amount of risk to smoking? Of course! There is risk in everything in life! If you take shower you could slip and kill yourself for crying out loud! But should we boycott showers because of the off chance you may die showering? Or out law running cause you may trip and fall. You have a higher chance of dying in a car accident than you will have smoking cigarettes.

Moderation is key, if it becomes an addiction then its an issue. But people are addicted to all manner of things:fast food, coffee, soda, pain killers, alcohol, sex, video games, working, sleeping. But would anyone say that any of the things I listed are in and of themselves bad? No, because if you only do them sometimes then they are unlikely to badly affect your health right? Which is my point. 

If we all just use common sense and moderation we can indulge in some things that aren't considered healthy and not affect our overall health. Having a pack of cigarettes over the course of a couple of weeks or month will not kill you. I would bet my own life on that  ;)
« Last Edit: July 05, 2012, 12:40:34 PM by Foxx »
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Gina

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Re: Smokers
« Reply #28 on: July 05, 2012, 12:38:16 PM »

Bravissimo, Foxx! 

Ciao bello.   :)
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acomplishedartis

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Re: Smokers
« Reply #29 on: July 05, 2012, 07:17:34 PM »



When we talk about 'moderation' or 'balance' it will always depend with whom are we comparing our selves with and with what level of wisdom or ignorance.

My view about smoking is very similar than my view about food.

Here is my view about food:

• Food is not for showing up that we are better than others, it is not to waste it, and it is not for pleasure only. Foods are for the belly and the belly for foods. Truth is that our life is more than food! and we don’t have to be forbidding others about what they should or shouldn’t eat: 

1Tim 4:1 & 3  But the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith… saying to abstain from foods, which God created for partaking with thanksgiving by the believers and those knowing the truth.

And of course there are also certain damaging foods (like poisoning foods) that God didn’t create for us to be partaking from. However,

All things [including all foods], unto me, are allowable,

But, not all things [like certain damaging foods], are profitable [including some of today’s common foods]: all things, unto me, are allowable, but, I, will not be brought under authority by any. (1Co 6:12)


It might be not our lot in life to jump into the road preaching the world about better eating habits,

But food does not commend us to God; for neither if we eat are we the better, nor if we do not eat are we the worse. (1 Corinthians 8:8)

 These issues regarding food in Paul times was not so different from now days,

Let not him who is eating be scorning him who is not eating. Yet let not him who is not eating be judging him who is eating, for God took him to Himself. (Rom. 14:3)


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acomplishedartis

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Re: Smokers
« Reply #30 on: July 05, 2012, 07:23:27 PM »


I found this site at the end of last year,

link:http://www.stopsmokingquitforever.com/

I know it sounds promising. I don't know.. (even if it doesn't work; it's not that expensive...) and it says that

''You Also Get A 12-Month No-Risk
100% Money Back Guarantee''
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indianabob

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Re: Smokers
« Reply #31 on: July 06, 2012, 01:50:40 AM »

Hi Foxx,

You offered some valuable thoughts to consider. Thank you.
Moises also offered some very valuable thoughts and facts to back them up.
I think it would help all smokers or eaters or any one with a habit that bothers them or others in their family to give some serious thought to the example they are setting when they exercise their right to choose to retain a habit.

The purpose of BT is to share in love and learn from one another and to work to please God because we love Him and want to keep ourselves healthy and clear headed in our service to our Lord.

So, if there are habits that others have mentioned that concern them, then even though we have the authority to persist in those habits without being criticized, shouldn't we as people of faith take the time to examine ourselves to see if there be anything in our daily conduct that could benefit from improvement?

As Moises said in quoting scripture; All things [including all foods], unto me, are allowable,

But, not all things [like certain damaging foods], are profitable

Kindly offered, Indianabob
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Gina

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Re: Smokers
« Reply #32 on: July 06, 2012, 03:24:38 AM »

Both of my parents were smokers, Bob, and we all ate very unhealthily because they weren't rollin in the dough-that's no. 1.  And no. 2, people didn't know all we know now about healthy living.  Fast forward 40-50 years and their smoking and eating habits are still the least of our problems concerning them. 

But thank you anyway for your contribution ::) to my smoker's thread.

« Last Edit: July 06, 2012, 03:42:36 AM by Gina »
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« Reply #33 on: July 06, 2012, 10:22:31 AM »

Hi Gina and fellow ex-smokers,
Both my parents were smokers and didn't think it was a problem other than when someone dropped ashes on the furniture or dumped their car ash trays on the street in front of our house. There were polite smokers and not so polite smokers. I worked for a few years in the insurance business and in people's homes and we had a mandate from Prudential "no smoking in the client's home until after the application is signed and the first premium check written".

I learned to smoke in the Air Force in 1955-58 and quit for health reasons 9-6-1965. My wife smoked for another couple of years until she was having our third child and the doctor cautioned her about it. Plus our eldest daughter Karen had allergy & breathing problems and we had to air condition/filter her bedroom so she could sleep at night.
It was amazing how different we and our clothes smelled after we quit and learned to taste food all over again. Hard as it was to quit there were real benefits that made it worth the challenge.

My most recent addiction is munchies in front of the TV. I can sit and converse for three or four hours with friends with just a coffee or tea to sip, but when I watch a detective show I get the munchies and have to snack on something chewy like popped corn or crackers and cheese. A man my age just cannot afford to eat when he is not really hungry, it goes right to my waste (waist). Ha ha

Thanks for all the encouraging stories from those who are having difficulty with their "bad" habits.
Please do remember that with God ALL things are possible.
Indianabob
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Gina

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Re: Smokers
« Reply #34 on: July 06, 2012, 11:15:41 AM »

Well, sitting for 3-4 hours in front of the tele will do that to a person too. ;)

I quit smoking in my car and apartment years ago.  It really does smell up a place.  And my heart goes out to all those non-smokers in the restaurants and offices I ate at and worked in before they outlawed smoking in public establishments here in California.  (Even as a smoker, there's nothing worse than trying to concentrate on work or enjoy a decent meal while stale cigarette smoke lingers in the airrrrr.  I understand this now.  Even I want to clobber me for that.)

My daughter hates the smell of it.  And I would have gladly quit years ago, but alas the dern things are super addictive.

Please continue to keep us in your fervent prayers, Bob.

Thanks.

(I'm almost positive that if I don't die from a smoking-related disease, there'll be someone who will gladly kill me first.  The headlines will read: 

"DEATH BY LECTURING"

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servias

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Re: Smokers
« Reply #35 on: July 07, 2012, 12:24:12 AM »

Before I quit I had stopped caffeine just to see if I could do it.  Caffeine (to me anyways) is like nicotine light.  I went back to caffeine at 30 days but still drinking maybe half as much (diet coke addict).

While its still fresh in my mind....quitting "nicotine" made me extremely short tempered to my family.  But once the nicotine is out of your veins it gets easier each day.  Watching my grandfather die with emphysema, hooked up to an oxygen tank should have made me quit sooner than I did.  He was 76 and yes that is average.....but dying because you cant breathe for your last year is not an easy way to go.  I pray that all my BT friends can work on their various addictions (including my own).

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Gina

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Re: Smokers
« Reply #36 on: July 07, 2012, 01:45:51 AM »

DantheMan:

Will you pray instead, not my will but Thy will?  I pray that.  I pray, God, if you will, please give me the ability to break my addiction to cigarettes.  However, not my will but Thy will. 

And I say, if Thy will  is to not give me the ability to break this addiction, please will You be kind to me and grant me to not die from [INSERT INSANELY PAINFUL CAUSE OF DEATH HERE]? 

Someone here thinks that's funny.  That's alright.  Let me finish, please.

Dan, This is the reality:  You see your relatives'/friends' pasts and then project their pasts onto your future. 

But you won't stop there, no --you go on to project their pasts on to e-v-e-r-y  other smokers' future.  Gee.  Thanks!


:)


Did you know God gave me the ability to read minds?  I do read minds and I know what's on the tip of your tongue:  "But, Gina, it could happen and I'm just here to warn you!"   How thoughtful!  But guess what else?  I could also get run over by a Mack Truck tomorrow, effectively exposing you as a false prophet.  When was the last time you warned anyone about that?   Besides, Jesus never sinned.  Remember how He died?

Whoever you non-smokers are, I'll be the first to tell you I am really glad that God didn't cause you to become smokers. 

And if you quit smoking, I'll be the first to tell you I'm glad God gave you the power and ability to quit smoking.  I'll also be quick to confess that I'm just a wee bit jealous that God granted you that ability and not me at this time.  Paul provoked his brothers to jealousy in order that he might save some, so it's not a sin to provoke someone to jealousy -- if the ends justify the means. 

It's one thing to provoke someone to jealousy in the hopes it will cause them to a take a step in the right direction.

It's quite  a n o t h e r  to stand in God's place and tell someone the manner in which they will die.   (Consider yourself duly warned.)

Do you think that smokers are deserving of the worst possible most painful death because we're wanting to break God's laws?  Or will you have mercy?  Instead of ultimately imagining humongous medical costs and unbelievable amounts of angst and grief onto my daughters and other family members and all those who love me-thinking that will (could?) be the end of me, do me a favor and pray that God will take what holds me captive, captive, if it is His will.

Thanks.



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servias

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Re: Smokers
« Reply #37 on: July 07, 2012, 02:55:43 AM »

DantheMan:

Will you pray instead, not my will but Thy will?  I pray that.  I pray, God, if you will, please give me the ability to break my addiction to cigarettes.  However, not my will but Thy will. 

And I say, if Thy will  is to not give me the ability to break this addiction, please will You be kind to me and grant me to not die from [INSERT INSANELY PAINFUL CAUSE OF DEATH HERE]? 

Someone here thinks that's funny.  That's alright.  Let me finish, please.

Dan, This is the reality:  You see your relatives'/friends' pasts and then project their pasts onto your future. 

But you won't stop there, no --you go on to project their pasts on to e-v-e-r-y  other smokers' future.  Gee.  Thanks!


:)


Did you know God gave me the ability to read minds?  I do read minds and I know what's on the tip of your tongue:  "But, Gina, it could happen and I'm just here to warn you!"   How thoughtful!  But guess what else?  I could also get run over by a Mack Truck tomorrow, effectively exposing you as a false prophet.  When was the last time you warned anyone about that?   Besides, Jesus never sinned.  Remember how He died?

Whoever you non-smokers are, I'll be the first to tell you I am really glad that God didn't cause you to become smokers. 

And if you quit smoking, I'll be the first to tell you I'm glad God gave you the power and ability to quit smoking.  I'll also be quick to confess that I'm just a wee bit jealous that God granted you that ability and not me at this time.  Paul provoked his brothers to jealousy in order that he might save some, so it's not a sin to provoke someone to jealousy -- if the ends justify the means. 

It's one thing to provoke someone to jealousy in the hopes it will cause them to a take a step in the right direction.

It's quite  a n o t h e r  to stand in God's place and tell someone the manner in which they will die.   (Consider yourself duly warned.)

Do you think that smokers are deserving of the worst possible most painful death because we're wanting to break God's laws?  Or will you have mercy?  Instead of ultimately imagining humongous medical costs and unbelievable amounts of angst and grief onto my daughters and other family members and all those who love me-thinking that will (could?) be the end of me, do me a favor and pray that God will take what holds me captive, captive, if it is His will.

Thanks.

I'm not sure if your being funny or being serious here...

If you are being serious I have to tell you I do not appreciate being painted as someone who is prophet, standing in God's place, and wishing harm or type of death to anyone.  This is not me, maybe I have a hard time communicating on here?  (I gave up facebook for that very reason just yesterday.) 

If I just took what you said completely out of context or you were joking around I apologize.

Dan
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acomplishedartis

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Re: Smokers
« Reply #38 on: July 07, 2012, 04:26:49 AM »

DantheMan:

Will you pray instead, not my will but Thy will?  I pray that.  I pray, God, if you will, please give me the ability to break my addiction to cigarettes.  However, not my will but Thy will. 

And I say, if Thy will  is to not give me the ability to break this addiction, please will You be kind to me and grant me to not die from [INSERT INSANELY PAINFUL CAUSE OF DEATH HERE]? 

Someone here thinks that's funny.  That's alright.  Let me finish, please.

Dan, This is the reality:  You see your relatives'/friends' pasts and then project their pasts onto your future. 

But you won't stop there, no --you go on to project their pasts on to e-v-e-r-y  other smokers' future.  Gee.  Thanks!


:)


Did you know God gave me the ability to read minds?  I do read minds and I know what's on the tip of your tongue:  "But, Gina, it could happen and I'm just here to warn you!"   How thoughtful!  But guess what else?  I could also get run over by a Mack Truck tomorrow, effectively exposing you as a false prophet.  When was the last time you warned anyone about that?   Besides, Jesus never sinned.  Remember how He died?

Whoever you non-smokers are, I'll be the first to tell you I am really glad that God didn't cause you to become smokers. 

And if you quit smoking, I'll be the first to tell you I'm glad God gave you the power and ability to quit smoking.  I'll also be quick to confess that I'm just a wee bit jealous that God granted you that ability and not me at this time.  Paul provoked his brothers to jealousy in order that he might save some, so it's not a sin to provoke someone to jealousy -- if the ends justify the means. 

It's one thing to provoke someone to jealousy in the hopes it will cause them to a take a step in the right direction.

It's quite  a n o t h e r  to stand in God's place and tell someone the manner in which they will die.   (Consider yourself duly warned.)

Do you think that smokers are deserving of the worst possible most painful death because we're wanting to break God's laws?  Or will you have mercy?  Instead of ultimately imagining humongous medical costs and unbelievable amounts of angst and grief onto my daughters and other family members and all those who love me-thinking that will (could?) be the end of me, do me a favor and pray that God will take what holds me captive, captive, if it is His will.

Thanks.

I'm not sure if your being funny or being serious here...

If you are being serious I have to tell you I do not appreciate being painted as someone who is prophet, standing in God's place, and wishing harm or type of death to anyone.  This is not me, maybe I have a hard time communicating on here?  (I gave up facebook for that very reason just yesterday.) 

If I just took what you said completely out of context or you were joking around I apologize.

Dan


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Hi Dan

Even when it was not your intention to make a warn. This is what you said to a smoker. (Even on a face to face conversation, saying this to a person who stills smokes; honestly, it does sounds as a warn.):

Watching my grandfather die with emphysema, hooked up to an oxygen tank should have made me quit sooner than I did.  He was 76 and yes that is average.....but dying because you cant breathe for your last year is not an easy way to go.

Also even if it was not your intention to say that it's all up to the smokers will power to be able to stop smoking, what you said sounds as if it's up to the smokers to stop smoking:
I pray that all my BT friends can work on their various addictions (including my own).

When saying:

''I do not appreciate being painted as someone who is prophet, standing in God's place, and wishing harm or type of death to anyone.''

1. Since a peace of your post sounded a lot as a warn. I understand that the supposition regarding a possible death caused by other thing (like get run over by a mack truck) and not by the harmfull consecuence of the addiction would be a false ''prophecy'' (warn).

2.Since a peace of your post does sounds as if you said that it's up to the smokers will power to stop smoking. I understand that is the why of the reminding of ''not my will but Thy will'' be done.

3. Nobody have said anything about you ''wishing'' harm or type of death to anyone. What you said just sounded as 'warn' of a harmfull death. That's all.


The english language is not my first language and I know that I am nobody to try to clarify the way you express your thoughts and intentions behind them. You know, sometimes it's easily get misunderstood on this way of online communication where we are not able to show facial expressions, voice tone, etc. But we must keep trying on expresing our selves as clear as posible.

I also think that fb is a place with a high degree to get misunderstood. You did well to gave up on it. I did the same a few years ago and gained a lot of time to do more things, while still keeping in contact trough old fashion emails with the ones I cared to keep in contact the most.


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acomplishedartis

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Re: Smokers
« Reply #39 on: July 07, 2012, 04:30:56 AM »


Gina. I thing you have the right attitude regarding your dealing with that random habit.

(not my will but Thy will)


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