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Foxx:
Francis Chan seems like he is sincere although who really knows for certain. I found his logic laughable though. He quoted the verse from the Bible which says "your ways are not my ways" and he goes on to say that he can not imagine punishing people for all eternity BUT since God is not us and his ways are not our ways then who are we to say that he wouldn't. Just because WE wouldn't do that doesn't mean God's justice isnt greater than our own. To which I reply with the exact opposite, plenty of people believe it IS justice to punish someone forever in hell so does that not mean that God would do the opposite of that? Furthermore, why believe in a God you apparently have such a difficult time reconciling your faith in? That's what I'll never understand, why bother believing in him if you don't agree with what he does?  Do you not believe in his will and sovereignty Mr. Chan?

Cypress:
Yes, I've seen the Chan videos and YouTube debates. Like Samson said though, I think the majority of those discussions are futile. I left YouTube because I was sick and tired of being called an idiot, moron, stupid, etc. by haughty know-it-all Christians, and particularly the individual Samson spoke of. These people are blind because that's where God has them. Perhaps it was cowardly of me to leave, but I felt I had enough aggrivation in my life :).

Foxx:
well the church world freaked out when that rob bell guy came out with his book which hinted at universalism but in his interviews it seems he is a confused person who doesn't know how to articulate his thoughts and feelings. Not to mention what he believes still misses the mark. So Francis Chan, Marc Driscoll and a number of other big names in my younger generation of Christianity had to stand up and protect their beloved hell doctrine. Its really quite sickening, Driscoll and Chan, and Bell all come from mega churches teach things of little value and support the eternal torture doctrine big time

doug:
I had read in one of Ray's teaching papers that anyone who belongs to a church denomination does not possess God's Holy Spirit. (a strong statement!). 

If that is the case, then why waste your time to even listen to these mega-church "blowhards"?  In my opinion it does no good to argue or debate the truth with a Churchite.

onelovedread:
Do you think you could find that teaching? Don't remember reading that.
Thanks

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