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Joel:
Those are some comforting words.
Thanks Dennis

Joel

arion:
There is more than enough material from Ray on this website to last most of us the rest of our lives.  We not only have the articles Ray has done but we have the audio and video recordings, all the emails that Ray has answered as well as a voluminous forum to peruse.  For any that have a big enough internet 'pipe' you can use a free software program which will mirror the whole website to your computer.  It's located here;  http://www.httrack.com/page/2/     May I say though that in my opinion if any of us are going to download a lot of stuff from here then I hope you would consider doing the right thing and being a donor to this website to help pay for the bandwidth.  And in deed perhaps the best way to honor Ray's ministry and memory here is to contribute on a monthly basis to keep the board running and to expand the outreach for others who have never read anything like what we have here.

Gina:

--- Quote from: telsa on May 27, 2012, 08:47:34 AM ---I think Craig said this in regards to teaching and debating:

"When the time comes when Ray can no longer answer for himself perhaps God will show the way, but maybe not, it is all of Him."

Now that Ray is passed, can we have teaching and debating? Perhaps on it's own sub-board?

--- End quote ---


That will rip this group in half.  No!

Ray said:

Don't be discouraged.  You need to study to "show yourself approved [Gk: qualified]" before you take it upon yourself to teach others (especially antagonists).   Too many people want to be teachers before they are even good students.



http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,10895.msg94139.html#msg94139

For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves (false teachers) enter in among you, not sparing the flock.  Acts 20:29

indianabob:
Thank you Dennis and friends,

Some personal thoughts to consider, all subject to correction by the Mods.

The operation of this forum is a benign dictatorship with duly appointed administrators.
Of course no human is perfect, but the evidence is plain to see, this method works best for now even with our natural preferences and various cultural backgrounds.
Actually this is the only way it could survive and continue to be productive and Ray Smith was pleased with the operation. Plus, even though Ray didn't contribute to the forum I'm sure he was not afraid to make his views known to the moderators if he thought it necessary.

God's government operates by delegation and the appointment of human agents that God inspires through his spirit. That will not change until Lord Jesus returns.

When our Lord Jesus returns to earth to set up his holy Kingdom it will be a perfect, benign dictatorship with ONLY qualified people, made perfect, serving God's purposes. The obvious differences between now and then is that Lord Jesus doesn't err in his judgment. He sees our heart and our mind and knows how to motivate one who at that time will have the mind of God and Christ.

So meantime all members may have to continue to learn patience with the appointed moderators and study and meditate and exercise their individual gifts of persuasion and self examination regarding what is permitted. Remembering of course that our Lord Jesus is the overall moderator and can influence the operation of the forum at his loving pleasure.

Please do edit and correct my personal thoughts for the benefit of the forum members.
Sincerely, Indianabob

Samson:

--- Quote from: telsa on May 27, 2012, 08:47:34 AM ---I think Craig said this in regards to teaching and debating:

"When the time comes when Ray can no longer answer for himself perhaps God will show the way, but maybe not, it is all of Him."

Now that Ray is passed, can we have teaching and debating? Perhaps on it's own sub-board?

--- End quote ---


Not meaning to be offensive or condescending, but why would you want to debate with anyone, He or She that is convinced against their Will, is of the same opinion still.

Check the Thread started on General Discussions: They Make A Mockery Of The Good News By Patmagoka and if you check the You-Tube debate therein, you will see what I mean.

I spent 15-20 preaching the "Good News," JW style and I thought I  completely had the "Truth" and I NEVER convinced anyone of anything, unless they asked sincere questions and the thing that most other believers would agree on was that God was going to punish the rejectors, the willful practicing Sinners and the ignorant Endlessly(Eternally). That's one thing people of the various Religious Denominations agree on, at least some form of Endless Punishment, but they usually can't stand anyone that believes some form of the concept that God is eventually going to reform everyone.

Of course, there's a difference between explaining something(teaching in that sense) compared to " A Teaching," something that contradicts what's presented here, it could even be another form of christian Universalism and I think I've checked most of them and the Historical writers on this subject, some of which Ray has quoted from time to time.

Kind Regards, Samson.

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