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absolute relentless constant neverending trials
Ian 155:
Rom 11:32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
But the scripture hath CONCLUDED all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe. (Gal_3:22)
Just to reiterate all means all, are we forgiven of all thru the shed blood?Or are we all sinners until his mercy comes on us, or is this an event that has taken place for all who await his mercy.
Does the mercy come thru enlightenment of his word or do we have it already ...by faith
2 If I am forgiven of all sin - why then are these trials neverending - I am not under judgement because Jesus paid [which has been illumunated to me] therefore i am not guilty - condemned - then why the absolute relentless constant neverending trials in every arena particularly work and finance - Am I to conclude that this is "my" particular thorn and to endure this with smileys or am I to use his promises IE i am blessed in the field ,barns,city,country,dwellin,children ...Duet 28.
I know we have an enemy being the devil who at all cost would prove Gods word wrong at all times. I sometimes think that this is ones calling to get out of "Jail" one keeps quoting the Promises of God in adverse situations,however I am come to a point where deep down I start to doubt that these promises are actually for me which then leads me into repenting all over again for past sin that I know I have dealt with but "just in case that is a hindrance perhaps go back and deal with it again " and so the circle continues
"Fear not I have overcome this world" and "my grace is sufficient for you" takes on a whole new walk of faith and meaning - where is the good news ??
I have seen great miracles in the healing arena of my life and my families lives, but this is now gettin rediculous,
Any one else that can identify with this phenomena or am I in the right place ? Then this walk seems to have stepped up a gear... or 3
Ian
Delandus:
I may not have the answers to all your problems,however i want to let you know i will be praying For you,because i have been there.God brought me through and he will do the same For you.
Delandus:
There's not a single thing a follower of Jesus can do to avoid test,trials,tribulations, and persecutions.There are many preachers out there that have distorted the gospel by implicating if you are facing these unfortunate situations,then you must be under a curse or maybe you are not paying your tithes or maybe you are living in sin.These trials are part of youe walk with Jesus and not always the result of you doing something wrong. In your weakest hour ,his strength is made perfect.I pray that God blesses you with joy and abundance in every area in your life.Through much tribulation we inherit the kingdom.God is love.
Kat:
When we are dragged to Christ and we learn the Truth, then as Paul states it in our "inner being I delight in God's law" (Rom 7:22). But there is still a mighty struggle going on in our carnal "members."
Rom 6:20 For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.
Rom 7:23 but I see in my members another law waging war against the law of my mind and making me captive to the law of sin that dwells in my members.
v. 24 O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death?
This struggle that we have with the carnal flesh will continue all the days of our life while we are still in the flesh. We must be deliverered/rescued from this "body of death."
Rom 7:25 Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself serve the law of God with my mind, but with my flesh I serve the law of sin.
What I believe Paul is explaining here, that 'before' we received grace through the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, we "were servants to sin." With the Holy spirit indwelling we still "fight the good fight" (1Tim 6:12), but we are overcomers and sin will not reign in us any longer.
Rom 6:8 Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with Him,
v. 9 knowing that Christ, having been raised from the dead, dies no more. Death no longer has dominion over Him.
v. 10 For the death that He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life that He lives, He lives to God.
v. 11 Likewise you also, reckon yourselves to be dead indeed to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus our Lord.
v. 12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body, that you should obey it in its lusts.
v. 13 And do not present your members as instruments of unrighteousness to sin, but present yourselves to God as being alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God
v. 14 For sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under law but under grace.
Rom 6:22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
Here is an email that speaks on this also.
http://bible-truths.com/email11.htm --------------------
In one of your emails you said that God expects us sin, which means he's not disappointed or angry with us?
The question here is: Everytime I sin, I ask forgiveness and repent. I feel that it's not working (repenting, asking forgiveness, etc). Am I doing something wrong?
[Ray Replies]
Dear Jeff:
Unfortunately, there is not a magic bullet that will instantly clean us of all sin and bad habits. Even the physical analogies of this spiritual washing, purging, and cleaning of our carnality, indicate that time is required. It takes time to wash clothing, it takes time to purify gold and silver in a furnace, etc.
The penalty of sin issue can be settled in your heart and mind the instant you come to realize that Jesus PAID IN FULL the penalty for your sins and all the sin of the world. However, paying the penalty for sin does not instantly PURGE AND WASH US CLEAN OF SIN. The penalty is paid, but the condition lingers.
The more you SEE your sins and shortcomings, the more you will DESIRE to rid yourself of these things. We are crucified WITH CHRIST, yet we live, but the life we live is one of OVERCOMING THE SINS FOR WHICH WE AND CHRIST DIED FOR.
We have been HAND-PICKED by God to be in His kingdom. Now we must go through the training course that He has set before us. Jesus said that He overcame THE WORLD. We too are to overcome THE WORLD. It's a HUGE task, that requires the power of SPIRIT to accomplish.
Don't become discouraged in well-doing. You will triumph in Christ if you have His spirit working in you. God will even give you the DESIRE to want to do right and be right.
This life is a life of SPIRITUAL WARFARE. There will be many battles before the final victory. So we must endure and we must overcome. For those whom God has chosen, this will be accomplished!
God be with you,
Ray
yello62:
my two centavos...
i would have to agree with the comment that the truth of our life in Christ has been distorted by those that indicate that having trials is an indication of disfavor. from the moment we are placed in the body of Christ, we are enterred into the intimacy with The Father that is eternal life. from that moment forward and as long as we are in the flesh, we are in struggle against the forces of evil that are in the universe. we have confidence He will not test us beyond that which we are able to endure, but that limit is His to determine. we also should take some measure of joy from the tribulations as our Christ had tribulations, and if we are His we should expect trouble similar to what He experienced.
trials and troubles are how our love grows, they are how our faith grows, they are how our knowledge of The Father grows. whether you see that as good or not is between you and The Father.
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