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HoneyLamb56:
I was re-reading Ray's article "Rules to Pray By":

"And there appeared an angel unto Him from heaven, strengthening Him. And being in an agony He prayed more earnestly: and His sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground" (Luke 22:43-44).

I doubt that any of us can ever fully appreciate what unfathomable human trauma and agony was taking place for those three hours in the garden that night two thousand years ago. The eternal destiny of the entire human race was at stake, and Jesus KNEW IT! And believe me, Jesus’ Father was agonizing right along with His Son:

"In all their afflictions, He [GOD] was afflicted… in His love and in His pity He redeemed them…" (Isa. 63:9). 

I am confused by this as Luke 22:43-44 is in the list of spurious passages.  I know this does not change the context of how to pray but why did Ray quote these verses?  if these verses are then not spurious, it leaves me wondering who witnessed the angel ministering to Jesus and who saw the sweats of blood because it also states that the disciples were asleep?

I tried a cusory search on discussion of these two spurious passages and could not readily find anything.  Any clarification would be appreciated.

Kat:

Hi HoneyLamb,

Ray did not learn about Tischendorf’s list of spurious Bible verses until he was preparing for a conference in 07. I think that his article on 'Praying by God's Rules' came before that. So that would be why he used that passage.

Now Jesus does state that He found the disciples asleep after He returned from praying for an hour.

Mat 26:40  And he cometh unto the disciples, and findeth them sleeping, and saith unto Peter, What, could ye not watch with me one hour?

Now thought they were sleeping when He returned that does not mean they were asleep the whole time. I'm thinking that at least one could have been awake some of that time to report/witness about the angel. But then again those Scriptures of the angel are said to be spurious, so maybe it did not actually occur at all. But this idea (of the angel) could have been believed and passed down in the early church and was written as a note on the page of a scroll, then was added to the Scripture later by a copyists that believed it was part of the Scripture (this is said to be how some spurious things got added to Scripture).

Anyway whether this was real or not it does not take away from the event, so I'm not so concerned about it.

mercy, peace and love
Kat

Dennis Vogel:
Unlike most other preachers, Ray changed his mind on a few somewhat minor issues and was not afraid to admit it.

Thanks Kathy.

John from Kentucky:
I respect Ray for being willing to change something as led by God's Spirit.  How rare is that?

In his April 2, 2011 message, third paragraph from the bottom, Ray admits his trinity paper did not bring all the scriptures together on the Enigma of God issue he was studying this past year.

http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,12934.0.html

Yep, he has my respect.

HoneyLamb56:
Thank you Kat, Dennis and John for the clarification.   There is so much material and discussion that I had probably read something along what you said Kat that I just didn't remember.  You are a patient group, thank God.   :)

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