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mickiel:
--- Quote from: DanTheMan on June 12, 2012, 12:27:29 AM ---mickiel,
Its not that we don't want to welcome you its just that we are not here to teach...but rather to help understand what has already been taught by Ray. We all have different views on certain things and its okay to discuss it a bit with openness but any NEW TRUTHS you bring to us are going to get negative feedback...Especially so soon. Hope you understand how we are and you are more than welcome to continue to ask questions. And if you have only been here for a week you got lots of reading to do. I've been around for a couple years and still feel I need to re-read 10 times as much. :)
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Well I do understand, but I am not here to teach, I came only to fellowship and share. Theres a definte difference between sharing and teaching. I cannot share with my family, or my friends; I cannot talk about these things in my AA meetings, I cannot discuss these things with my fellow employees; there are few places to open up and share and discuss these things. Its strange, the almost paranoia I see here in some concerning this aversion to thinking others are trying to teach them; how could I, who has not been chosen , do not have Gods Spirit, and do not even know God, teach an individual who has Gods Spirit and has been called? Thats the biggest contridiction I have ever been accused of. Good greif, sharing is sharing, its not teaching; I admit my sharing may be strong minded, but I am the way I am, and I am no teacher of God, and have never claimed to be. I love the truth, and I don't consider what I understand to be some " new Truth", its simply what has been on my mind of late. Just things on my mind.
This paranoia with thinking that someone is trying to teach others, is quite strange to me. But I am trying to understand it. Trying to be sensitive to it. I mean if your just talking to someone, they they jump back and claim your trying to teach them; goodness, how do you then speak with them? How can you discuss the things of God with them?
But I take the blame for this, I am not accustomed to speaking with a people of God, they don't seem to live anywhere near me. And regretably Ray has passed and I seem to have visited right after that. I understand perhaps others have come here trying to teach, but I have done no such thing; I conversate the way I conversate; write the way I write. Think the way I think.
But I can understand some of this; I imagine being a people of God, some just naturally suspect everyone but themselves of being some kind of heretic. You just assume everyone is deceived, and thats scripture anyhow. But God knows I mean this place no harm, and I know he knows that; I come only for fellowship, but even that cannot be forced; I will leave in a day or two, you have my word on that. I want to finish looking at all the material, which I think is well done. A good work.
I apoligise for any inconvience my pressence has caused.
I come in Peace, and will leave in Peace.
servias:
Just trying to inform you how this place works my friend....Its like you walked in, put your elbows on the table, chewed with your mouth full and said "what's the problem"? We welcome you and your thoughts but remember the thoughts you share will be met with scripture and teachings of Ray. Ray has just passed and we all might be a little too harsh lately so sorry if we seem to come out like that. We are good people, really ;D.
Dan
Craig:
Mickiel I am having a hard time trying to understand where you are coming from. The rules of the forum are pretty clear, I think. We ask that the members for the most part center their posts on the scriptural teaching of Ray Smith. Some leeway is given for other discussion but when it turns to debate we ask that it stop. We don't ask that you believe what Ray teaches, we don't tell you not to study other things, other teachers, or your own thoughts, we just ask that when you post here you comment or talk about Ray's teachings.
You have not done this (mostly). When members call you out you post with a whoa is me attitude; how you don't fit in, etc. Well that seems to be a personal problem to me. You can easily fit in here and you can have a fruitful time doing it, you can also hold your own opinions on things not covered by Ray's teaching, you can make friend and converse via PM's of other thoughts and teaching if you so desire.
Try and understand my example...Let's say this forum is the Ford car forum; in the rules that you agree on when joining it says please limit discussions to Ford automobiles only. O.K you agree and join and start posting about Toyota's or Dodges and also on alternative transportation. When you do this the members start losing patience with you and become less than friendly. After this happens you say you just don't understand why that is, that you don't seem to fit in anywhere. Why is that? I don't enjoy rules either for the most part, but as humans we have them in society in order to function and not have total chaos.
I hope you stay as I hope everyone who does not agree with Ray or believes in other things stay. As you said God will be all in all with everyone. I'll bet if you read what Ray teaches you will find that you will have enough that you agree with that you can become a helpful forum member.
Craig
mickiel:
--- Quote from: Craig on June 12, 2012, 09:48:18 AM ---Mickiel I am having a hard time trying to understand where you are coming from. The rules of the forum are pretty clear, I think. We ask that the members for the most part center their posts on the scriptural teaching of Ray Smith. Some leeway is given for other discussion but when it turns to debate we ask that it stop. We don't ask that you believe what Ray teaches, we don't tell you not to study other things, other teachers, or your own thoughts, we just ask that when you post here you comment or talk about Ray's teachings.
You have not done this (mostly). When members call you out you post with a whoa is me attitude; how you don't fit in, etc. Well that seems to be a personal problem to me. You can easily fit in here and you can have a fruitful time doing it, you can also hold your own opinions on things not covered by Ray's teaching, you can make friend and converse via PM's of other thoughts and teaching if you so desire.
Try and understand my example...Let's say this forum is the Ford car forum; in the rules that you agree on when joining it says please limit discussions to Ford automobiles only. O.K you agree and join and start posting about Toyota's or Dodges and also on alternative transportation. When you do this the members start losing patience with you and become less than friendly. After this happens you say you just don't understand why that is, that you don't seem to fit in anywhere. Why is that? I don't enjoy rules either for the most part, but as humans we have them in society in order to function and not have total chaos.
I hope you stay as I hope everyone who does not agree with Ray or believes in other things stay. As you said God will be all in all with everyone. I'll bet if you read what Ray teaches you will find that you will have enough that you agree with that you can become a helpful forum member.
Craig
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Greetings Craig,
And thank you for your imput. I can understand your analogy and I have tried to respect that here. I don't think its important that I be understood in my views here, if a person understands something, and it be real truth, they willnot hold a monopoly on it, the Spirit will reveal it to everyone its dealing with in time. And God will correct me where I am wrong, he always has; and I certainly have been wrong about things before. And I actually agree with Ray so far, in about 95% of the things I have read. I understand more clearly each day how this place works, and just as I think its not so important that I be understood, I quess I feel that way about any one man being understood.
I have never known a Prophet type individual or a great teacher , so I try to understand that as I have talked to a few here. I don't know what that is like. The bond it creates. The reaction it causes. Its kind of strange to me; I vist a house of God, or a place of God; I am called a wolf and dangerous, I am told to only discuss the things one man has taught, and treated cordial by a few. I quess it is a personal problem of mine Craig, I never thought the houses of God would be like that. Its just about been the same kind of thing at the other house of God I have visted; so yes, the problem is mine, its me. I have trouble fitting in with those kind of things. The limitations; the paranoia; the personal insults; the sectioned off attitude, and this strange aversion to thinking others are trying to teach you.
It certainly is a personal problem of mine, because I already know that I cannot, do not even want to, try and fit in with such things. And that is heartbreaking to me, because God may be calling me, but it seems he wants me to continue walking alone and not group off into a fold. And I don't like that.
But thats alright, to each their path. I am almost finished with my study, and I will obey the rules here and leave in Peace. I can even study it offline. I don't think I am meant to interact with Gods people, and that frustrates me without end.
Anyhow, Peace to each of you on your journey.
Kat:
Hi mickiel,
I'm sorry that you can not understand or accept the reason for our not allowing other teachings here. We all have a vase array of ideas and if we all wanted to share these thing it would cause much confusion and would naturally lead to debating. You can see that very thing in all the other Christian forums on the internet and we don't want that here. Ray provided a huge amount of topics and most are not simple to understand, so we can come here and discuss them further.
It is understandable the excitement and joy that people feel when finding a group of people that are like minded. We are joyful to have new comers as well and that's why we give them some leeway so that they have time to settle in. But we will still correct obvious error even in new comers, most of us try to be gentle :)
Your opening comment was that you were surprised that there were some here from Worldwide. Ray was from Worldwide, he even went through Ambassador College. I was in Worldwide for 15 yrs., maybe it's a common factor, having that background that we relate to that brings us together.
We all were taught many things from the churches we attended, manmade doctrines, nothing spiritual about it. Now I feel the way that Worldwide was always in the OT and had all those special services teaching the festivals of the Israelites, it did give me a certain knowledge of those physical things that is a helpful backdrop to have.
But we are now moving on from the physical into the spiritual and sometimes some of that church teaching is so embedded in our thinking that it comes out here. So we need to be on guard against any false ideas that we, maybe unknowing hold on to and we try to help one another to recognize these unscriptural ideas if they are posted as well. So if you share remember that the Scriptures is our base of understanding and unless we can clearly see what you are saying in there, with a 2nd witness, don't expect us to go along with it.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
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