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Spirit 'of' God, or, God is spirit.
Revilonivek:
gk-
I know i may be off the subject quite a bit but wanted to share my thoughts about your first scripture about spirit of God hovering over....
maybe it just means God is a life force rather than human created God with white hair, white beard, white clothes, sitting on a white throne or anything human related. He's just not limited to us, but related to everything, creator of life, death of all things, the domino effector of all things. the force that binds all things, catalyst of all things, the ender of all things. Nothing is outside the force.
Everything happens for a reason, think of God as the life force.. like in star wars, may the force be with you.. :) like the bible says, anything will reap what they sow... it's how it works. it's how the force works.. Nothing works outside of that. it requires an action of some kind to go forward. That is why there is no free will but there's a will. God is the force itself. The force determines it, not you.
God is not physical of any kind, no one has seen or heard the Father because he is a FORCE. You can feel him just like you can feel the wind.
hope that helps?
Denise
GaryK:
Hi Denise. I can't recall a time where I've believed God was a Merlin like character, white hair, beard and sitting on an over-sized throne with a warbled cane and a funny looking hat, so no worries there. But I can appreciate the analogy of the life-force, (especially if I think of Satan as Darth Vader ;D). Free-will has always been an issue with me since coming to BT and I've fought it tooth and nail trying to reconcile that with life's casualties and mysteries, but I know you're right, or let me say, I'm relaxing on the fight of it and it feels pretty good. It's almost like a stage of 'no worries', it is what it is. But I still have a ways to go. It'll be when it'll be and I'm beginning to trust his timing rather than my hurried approach to explanations.
Simply, I was most probably over-thinking the matter where it mentions 'spirit (of)' and attempting a reconciliation back to Ray's lesson. That's all. Nothing big or faith shattering. I wasn't quite to the point of burning my bibles. ;) Dave's rendering was just what was needed as far as the verse goes.
Appreciated Denise.
gk
Dave in Tenn:
Gary...one more thought. It may be that Hebrew has no 'possessive' form. As Ray pointed out, there is no way to translate from one language to another without using idiom. That's why I wouldn't call "spirit of God" a wrong translation.
For what it's worth, I think of it this way. God IS and has Spirit in much the same way that I am a human, and have humanity.
Revilonivek:
:)
To be honest, I don't like the word "God" but people use it anyway to show a physical Authority or superiority over something. Every time I think of " God" I think of other gods that mankind has created to help them get through their lives. But in reality- it's a misleading concept even with the christian God. Carnally, When we use the word God, we immediately think of him of someone physical and superior with a trident, a throne in sky, or whatever. IT's the carnal mind way to understand things that they don't understand. When we pray,we tend to create an image of God in our head- to help us visualize that we are communicating with God, but really it's an misconception. God is everywhere- The force is everywhere. no gender of any kind. when you pray, look around you - see the wind blowing through the trees. That's God. See people doing good, that's God, see animals walking - that's God, See the sun shine through the trees, That's God. everything that moves. That is the force at work. God is the gravity of things that occur in your life. See the beauty of God that works. You can access him anywhere and in yourself as well. That is why nothing is hidden from the "Force" becuase FOrce is in us, around us, and everywhere. Including the oxygen we breathe. Force is necessary in order for life to work, or we will not be here.. it is just the thing that binds all things. Honor life and everything in it and you will honor God at same time. :)
But really- God is really just a Force that starts all things, ends all things, The Force is pure energy, neutral, and it' makes things work because the force makes it work.
Think of the scientist theory of the Big Bang. It probably happened like that. The force helped bring two things together and it just worked the rest, the domino effector. That's where " reap what you sow" comes in play. It's like whatever you put together, it has to happen. That is the Force itself. God is the force, that is why we don't have free will. Think of God as Force, and you'll feel alot freer from years of indoctrination of the image we were taught in church growing up.
Just relax the heck away- and take in comfort and know that the Force is doing it all for the good of mankind and all things that are in the universe and beyond :)
Have you heard of this saying, if you want to see miracle, be the miracle. Don't wait for it. That is the force in action. The Force is everywhere, even though we don't have free will, but we can do something about it whatever way the force blows us to.
like Yoda says,
May the force be with you :)
Denise
GaryK:
--- Quote from: Revilonivek on June 12, 2012, 10:33:30 AM ---:)
To be honest, I don't like the word "God" but people use it anyway to show a physical Authority or superiority over something. Every time I think of " God" I think of other gods that mankind has created to help them get through their lives. But in reality- it's a misleading concept even with the christian God. Carnally, When we use the word God, we immediately think of him of someone physical and superior with a trident, a throne in sky, or whatever. IT's the carnal mind way to understand things that they don't understand. When we pray,we tend to create an image of God in our head- to help us visualize that we are communicating with God, but really it's an misconception. God is everywhere- The force is everywhere. no gender of any kind. when you pray, look around you - see the wind blowing through the trees. That's God. See people doing good, that's God, see animals walking - that's God, See the sun shine through the trees, That's God. everything that moves. That is the force at work. God is the gravity of things that occur in your life. See the beauty of God that works. You can access him anywhere and in yourself as well. That is why nothing is hidden from the "Force" becuase FOrce is in us, around us, and everywhere. Including the oxygen we breathe. Force is necessary in order for life to work, or we will not be here.. it is just the thing that binds all things. Honor life and everything in it and you will honor God at same time. :)
But really- God is really just a Force that starts all things, ends all things, The Force is pure energy, neutral, and it' makes things work because the force makes it work.
Think of the scientist theory of the Big Bang. It probably happened like that. The force helped bring two things together and it just worked the rest, the domino effector. That's where " reap what you sow" comes in play. It's like whatever you put together, it has to happen. That is the Force itself. God is the force, that is why we don't have free will. Think of God as Force, and you'll feel alot freer from years of indoctrination of the image we were taught in church growing up.
Just relax the heck away- and take in comfort and know that the Force is doing it all for the good of mankind and all things that are in the universe and beyond :)
Have you heard of this saying, if you want to see miracle, be the miracle. Don't wait for it. That is the force in action. The Force is everywhere, even though we don't have free will, but we can do something about it whatever way the force blows us to.
like Yoda says,
May the force be with you :)
Denise
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Thanks Denise. I'm not certain I agree with your 'domino' theory, in that, if anything happened it wasn't by any 'help' from an outside force as it would be personal intent with purpose.
"The force"..? Wouldn't you agree that might be putting an awfully disturbing impersonal approach to a self-exclaimed, exampled, loving and merciful God that has a plan of redemption for all?
Not a matter and no need to address. Sometimes I can read too much into something when it isn't there at all.
gk
--- Quote ---Gary...one more thought. It may be that Hebrew has no 'possessive' form. As Ray pointed out, there is no way to translate from one language to another without using idiom. That's why I wouldn't call "spirit of God" a wrong translation.
For what it's worth, I think of it this way. God IS and has Spirit in much the same way that I am a human, and have humanity.
--- End quote ---
Agreed. Ray spoke in a paper of water in the fish and fish in the water, or, birds in the air and air in the birds. I understand. Sometimes it's a good thing to get hung up on the technicality which can surely deepen the search. Appreciated Dave.
gk
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