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Interesting: why we have a short span of life
indianabob:
Interesting thoughts Joel,
It could also be that God did it arbitrarily. He does have a plan and once God started over with Abram it could be that the population of the earth was growing at the pace intended and that a shorter life span was enough of a challenge for the average human to have to endure before "rest and resurrection".
From a physical standpoint the longevity limiting radiation penetrating the atmosphere from the sun could have been altered by a change in the Van Allen belt's effectiveness.
The idea that God doesn't change should not be construed to teach that God cannot change conditions of our environment to control our life span.
Thanks for your ideas, Indianabob
Gina:
Been reading this for the past two days. This is great stuff and has started a flood of thoughts in me.
Disclaimer: :) Pardon me while I think out loud. I tend to do this a lot. But no one's required to respond or even read what I'm about to say. I always pray before I post and while I'm posting that I don't throw anyone off course with the things I say.
Arbitrarily (adverb) - Princeton's WordNet
randomly, indiscriminately, haphazardly, willy-nilly, arbitrarily, at random, every which way, in a random manner
"the houses were randomly scattered"; "bullets were fired into the crowd at random"
God only operates all after the counsel (or law, as Ray said) of His Own will. (Eph 1:11)
He definitely didn't do things "arbitrarily," or willy-nilly. That's an idea straight out of the theory of evolution. But I know what you mean, Bob.
So God's counsel/wisdom dictates that He do things AND that He do them in a specific manner/process/order and on a specific timeline.
To everything there is a season. Ecc 3:1
Okay here are my personal thoughts on this thread, based on what I've read and believe:
There's a huge gap of "silence" between the times of the cavemen and the first Adam.
And there's a huge gap of "silence" between the end of the OT and the beginning of the NT. It's like Jesus just appeared on the scene much like the sun appears in the morning after a long, dark night.
And just like there's a HUGE gap between the first Adam and the Second Adam -- spiritually speaking. We are eons apart as far as spiritual wisdom is concerned. You can't compare the two.
There's no evolution, anywhere, not in "cavemen" evolving into the first Adam, or in the First Adam evolving into the Second Adam. I don't see it happening that way. It's out with the old and in with the new. We are being regenerated, completely reworked. Not simply evolving.
I believe that whoever was before the First Adam is symbolical of who we are before Christ shines out of the darkness and straight into our hearts and minds.
As far as the (cave)man--yeah, he got around alright. I imagine, like our old man, he probably thought he knew a lot too, because after all, he could hunt and kill with tools and whatnot and he was able to eat and survive for a time but not for long.
But whatever tools he was using are becoming increasingly useless to us now as our knowledge grows. Just like our old man absolutely cannot be weaved, by the process of "evolution," into our new life in Christ -- out with the old, in with the new.
There's no place for any of what we used to be or use.
Rev. 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it [God sits on the throne of our hearts], from whose face the earth and the heaven [of our own mind] fled away; and there was found no place for them.
It'd be like putting an new patch on an old garment; new wine into old wine skins.
The physical (in this case -- the "cavemen" and then the first "Adam"), speaks to something spiritual: the "old" caveman and our new Man.
Old man has to go - every bit of it, otherwise, when our spirit's put into glorious Spiritual bodies, our spiritual body would ultimately be destroyed.
As far as our life spans being shortened -- why did God purpose that Christ only be alive for 33-1/2 years on this earth? That's half the life span of what Moses said a human lives on average. Does it matter? I don't know. Just a thought.
indianabob:
Thanks for the correction Gina,
I suppose I could have selected a better word.
I was thinking "without arbitration", God using His own counsel, not needing additional data.
God keeps His own counsel and does not submit His decisions to our approval.
Thanks for seeking a better word.
Bob
cjwood:
amen gina.
claudia
Joel:
I have thought on the subject of life spans of the human race off and on for many years now.
Some questions came to mind such as; what has shortened mans years more than anything? And sin has to rate right there at the top more than anything else.
In the books of kings we can read how each king recorded, served or didn't serve God and country and what God thought about them.
In most cases they were king for more years if they pleased God, and less if they didn't. Some being king for a year or less.
Another problem that arises concerning years of life is the 70 and 80 yrs. Question.
I have heard the verse in Psalms 90 quoted many times, where it is said in verse 10; The days of our years are threescore years and ten; and if by reason of strength they be fourscore years, yet is their strength labour and sorrow; for it is soon cut off, and we fly away.
Granted a lot of people do die around 70 or 80, but what about those that live to 90, 95, 100, 110, and yes even as old as 120yrs.
That is a problem if I read Psalms 90 as it is often times explained. I got what I believe is the best explanation of this Chapter in Psalms years ago while reading through a 1980 edition called "The Amplified Bible", and the footnote at the bottom of the page says this;
This Psalm is credited to Moses, who is interceding with God to remove the curse which made it necessary for every Israelite over twenty years of age ( when they rebelled against God at Kadesh-barnea) to die before reaching the Promised Land (Num. 14:26-35).
Moses says most of them are dying at seventy years. This number has often been mistaken as a set span of life for all mankind. It was not intended to refer to any one except those Israelites under the curse during that particular forty years.
Seventy years never has been the average span of life for humanity. When Jacob, the father of the twelve tribes had reached 130 years (Gen. 47:9), he complained that he had not attained to the years of his immediate ancestors.
In fact, Moses himself lived to be 120, Aaron 123, Miriam several years older, and Joshua 110; while in the Millennium a person dying at 100 will still be a child (Isa. 65:20).
This has been a comfort to me seeing that I am not as young as I once was myself.
Joel
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