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New article: "Solving The Enigma Of God" just posted.
Kenneth Clark:
we will know the truth in another age...to me it doesnt matter...just love God and talk to Him...just talk to Him
Gabriel:
Ancient Israelites knew that God had a special, unique Son:
PROVERBS 30:4 Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell? (KJV)
I'll qoute from the apocryphal book Sirach just to make a point.
SIRACH 51:10 I appealed to the Lord, the Father of my lord, not to forsake me in the days of affliction, at the time when there is no help against the proud. (RSV)
I personally don't believe Ray was teaching that Jesus was his own father.
Gabriel
Dave in Tenn:
Took my own advice and laid aside any assumptions. Here's what I got:
Ray started this paper like he has started nearly every paper. Exposing those who contradict and teaching sound doctrine. (That's the very purpose for Bible-Truths.com--sez so right on the fron t page.
What/who did he expose? This sect of 'holy-name' afficianodos. Small, maybe, but vocal.
What sound doctrine did he teach? That the Father gave Jesus the same name as the Father, and that both share the same attributes.
What/who did he expose? Those who claim that Jesus wasn't around in the Old Testament.
What sound doctrine did he teach? That Jesus is the Jehovah of the Old Testament.
Now I've personally never been seriously tempted by the 'sacred name' business. But if a group in babylon asserts that men are not saved unless they pronounce the name of YWVH in Hebrew, then that is bondage I am happy to see ANYBODY freed from. I'm also glad to know that my faith IN Jesus (and the faith OF Jesus on my behalf) are not in vain.
If there is much of anything else IN THE ARTICLE, I missed it. I have asserted since the beginning of this interest, that there would not be anything forthcoming that CHANGED what Ray has already shared. This article has not changed that 'opinion'.
Most of B-T was posted before I ever found it. Here's a brief (and woefully incomplete) list of things Ray has already said. In most cases, I've had to lay down my assumptions in these matters. In all of those cases, I am glad I did.
God is Spirit, not A Spirit.
Spirit has no hands. (Tell a child that God has no hands, and see if she feels sorry for Him. I don't want to be child.)
God is not a six-foot tall man (as some silly preacher claimed). Am I to assume that God is then a 7-foot-tall man? How about a 600 foot tall man? If I'm really "spiritual", is he a 6 million mile tall man?
In the "doctrine of the trinity" there are three "persons". Scripturally, only one of those could be described as a 'person'.
Jesus is the "creative original" by whom are all things. (As a 'trinitarian'--even as lapsed as I was--I had a lot of problems with the first part).
What is seen is not made out of nothing, but out of that which is unseen.
Spirit is invisible.
Jesus is the express image of Almighty God.
Mankind is being formed (conformed) into the image of the Son.
God is not a Trinity. God is not a Duality. But what was the 'conclusion' --the sound Doctrine--of the trinity paper? God is an expanding Family.
Now I have to preach. Sorry. Even if any of us don't 'get' the enigma of God, we're not left without 'instructions'. The consummate act of all mankind will be to aver (say with full conviction) that Jesus Christ is Lord. He is my God, if indeed I do what He says. He is the author and finisher of my faith (look to Him). He is the Creator and Sustainer of the world. He is the Word of God. He is the mediator between God and man. These things (and many others) don't have NO meaning just because you haven't worked out this family relationship.
I've tried not to overstep, and am sorry if I have.
cjwood:
--- Quote from: doug on June 22, 2012, 02:45:59 PM ---
--- Quote from: Dennis Vogel on June 22, 2012, 02:08:41 PM ---
All this foolishness makes me wish I never posted the article. I have other things Ray left on his PC that will never see the light of day.
--- End quote ---
Hello Dennis,
If you could sleep over it and have a change of heart... why don't you post Ray's unfinished papers and then lock the subject.
Each of us could then let the Spirit reveal to us what is needed to be revealed in our individual walk. We each will continue to grow at our own pace.
In His Love,
doug
--- End quote ---
dennis, your statement made me sad. :( if you had not posted the article, we would have been denied the opportunity to be shown by the Holy Spirit some things we might have never been shown before, had this article not seen the light of day. i am one of those. and i am grateful that you posted it.
i included doug's post reply because i thought it was maybe something to think about. kind of like a bible study, that is not in detail, but like short studies that ray was looking into. whomever the Spirit causes to study and search the scriptures, on whichever topic of ray's studies they are guided to. but then of course, each posting of whichever papers dennis decides to share, must include a lock. there is always the pm option if someone wants to discuss a paper further.
there were many subjects that ray was desiring to write about. he was always asking God questions about things. different areas of study in many different stages of getting thoughts to paper/computer. but, perhaps a sort of outline for further study, and let the Spirit guide us. the 'foolishness' can be controlled by a lock.
claudia
Gina:
Whether Dennis changes his mind or not, I won't put any more pressure on him than he has already.
I'm grateful for the article. With everything Ray has given us I feel well provided for.
As for me, I will be content with what I've been given. If what I have been given already isn't enough and I feel compelled to put pressure on Dennis (as if I've been starved) I'm a sorry case and not acting in love.
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