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is everyone being lead to repentance
Gina:
--- Quote ---These people in the Churches of Smyrna and Philadelphia lied. They claimed to be spiritually converted (for that is what God’s definition of "a Jew" really is.) And a natural man or woman from the natural physical tribe of Judah is not a real Jew at all. The derivation of the name "Jew" comes from yadah and it means, "to give thanks, laud, praise." But the natural [carnal] Jew CANNOT give thanks, laud, or praise to God because,
"Because the carnal mind [the natural physical mind of every Jew from birth, and certainly Gentiles as well] is enmity [hatred] against God: for it is not subject to the [spiritual] law of God, neither indeed can be [or is able]" (Rom. 8:7.)
When will we begin to understand that the teachings of the New Testament are not carnal, not physical of the flesh? We are to come out of carnality and be converted, and become spiritual Jews, a people who truly worship (give thanks, laud, and praise) God IN SPIRIT.
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Kat,
Thanks for pulling out those excerpts!
I'm seeing it. We've known lots of carnal Jews that'll praise God and say, "My God is so great, look at all he's done for me."
But when shown the truth behind the scriptures and how God will save all, their countenance changes and they're all like, Umm - nooo thank you. That's not my God.
So they're giving thanks, but like Ray's saying, they're completely unable to thank or praise or laud the true God.
Very cool.
newgene87:
oh thank you Kat! :D ;). that was exactly the respone i needed and it put so many pieces together for me. Like wow, it's still amazing how all in all God is truly working to save all...most after death. should i start to see that's the purpose for death? like, who WOULDNT repent AFTER dying???? I WOULD. definitly if i'm raised. regardless, THANK YOU. that was the answer i needed
Gina:
--- Quote from: Moises G. on June 28, 2012, 07:54:31 AM ---
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Here is a question I have. I was going to make a whole new tread about it, But I guess it will fit fine on this one.
I know someone that was never in church, that didn't was indoctrinated by pastors on his past and that doesn't have a religious background. A couple years ago he started reading the old testament with a lot of attention and sincerity. And now he can be able to easily realize and accept the plan of the salvation of all. When we talked, he already didn't believe in Hell, free-will, and had already understood that God create evil. So I pretty much was able to put all the pieces together for him, and bring some hope.
So How can someone be out of her, if he was never really inside?
Well, I know there was a time when he used t believe in free-will before start reading the Bible. But still my question stands. Or maybe I am wrong and he still needs the capacity and motivation to want to overcome the world...
What do you guys think about it?
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We all know how Ray says that we must first go into the church before we can come out of her. But Mystery Babylon the Great and the World have very close ties. MBtG is so corrupt (after all -- that's where Satan has his seat!), it may as well be the world -- that's my understanding. I have always wondered about that, too, Moises. And I would appreciate any and all answers on that myself. How can someone who's never been in[doctrinated] into the belief system in the worldly church come out of her? To me, the carnal-minded church in all of its ways is really not different than the carnal world itself. So to me if you overcome the world (come out of the world), it's no different than coming out of the carnal church.
(Ducking out now. Please, mods and all, I'm not trying to be disagreeable to Ray on this subject. I realize I may have over looked something. But I may as well get my thoughts on this out in the open so they can either be blown to smithereens or brought back in line with the truth. Thanks for your help! :))
newgene87:
this reminded of the man born blind in John 9. now, i may be way off here, but i hope not - it tickled that part of my brain :P
Jesus was leaving the temple (John 8:59), and passing along he sees a man blind from birth. Now, i'ma go on and believe that this man wasnt a seeker of God, didnt read the scriptures, nor wasnt apart of that sect or church of rabbis, scribes, and elders. Yet, after being healed, a "blind man from birth" began "teaching" and "reproving" Pharisees (which had to be a bold thing to do at the time, seeing it was only Jesus doing that). John 9:30-38 the man almost immediately understood salvation, the power of Christ, faith, believing Jesus works were actually from God, that Jesus was God, that He was a healer, and free will etc etc - meanwhile the pharisees had definitely heard the teachings of Jesus, witnessed healings, seen his works - yet did not believe; since Jesus began his ministry. So i guess i could see someone understanding truths of God, after being in the world (blind from birth) and not exactly in the church (pharisee) - when the Father draws them to Jesus. now if my two cents get shot down, i take that as a honor - always willing to learn. ;D ;)
Gina:
You have an excellent attitude (that's why your marriage will be a success).
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