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144,000?
newgene87:
Alrighty then; i have those pieces placed together understanding the "song" and the 144,000 which is the totality of the "redeemed of the earth"; can anyone help me find in scripture the spiritual application in Revelation 7:4-8?? John says, they were of the "tribes of Israel". Now, i notice Paul's word - "they are not all Israel, which are of Israel" (Rom 9:6) and in Galatians 3:7-9 he mentions those that are of Faith are the true sons of Abraham. So what's the "spiritual" meaning behind John writing out "specifically" 12,000 of EACH of the 12 Tribes of Israel? naming each one and listing the number. now, if i talk to anyone, they see the obvious that this is only for the Israelites and of them; but can someone help me out here in the truth?? how does this crossover to us "Gentiles"?? or..... did i miss the answer.... Again thank you all for the collective voices in singing this song of praise; which "many shall SEE and shall fear" ;D.
oh and gina, when i pray to God for wisdom...the answer for the prayers just seems to ironically happen when i click on this long drawn out name of a website, find the site's forum and start clicking randomly; i seem to find answers that way ;). I do pray, but you all are a family of biblical truths; i love coming in and being filled with words God will reveal to me later on. so THANK YOU ALL FOR THE REPLIES AND DISCUSSIONS :D :D
Gina:
--- Quote from: newgene87 on July 02, 2012, 11:42:34 AM ---oh wow Mark!! that was filled with so much Glory from the Lord. That filled my heart with Praise! and Thank you Gina, doug, and dennis. Putting all the pieces together: that 144,000 (obviously 12,000 times 12) is TOTAL number of fulness of all the believers and "redeemed of the earth" assembling and singing a "new" song. I see praise. and i see salvation for the WHOLE earth. it's amazing; it reminds me if you've ever drove past an outside ochestra (i cant spell that, forgive me); EVERYONE driving by will notice and stop and hear the "sound" of the music. or even an opera or someone with an amazing voice singing; anyone will notice. I can only imagine, when this "144,000" are SPIRITUALLY lifting their voices and singing this song which is the glory of the lamb, the whole learn will learn righteousness :D....thank you all. this is amazing to me. by the way, i'm guessing i dont have to look no further for the lyrics?? 8) 8). thank you family
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You're welcome.
Okay, I just got your meaning (see? I'm learning too. :) ) I see now why you're so ecstatic. Learning the new song is learning righteousness -- when thy judgments are in the earth the inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness.
Now that makes total sense. I apologize if I confused the issue with the NAME of God. I see now that I was jumping ahead to when those who have overcome learned the song (God's justice), and then go on to judge the nations in righteousness. (We have to pay attention to all the parts. ;) I wasn't paying attention to all the parts. )
Rev. 15:2-4
And I saw what looked like a sea of glass mixed with fire and, standing beside the sea, those who had been victorious over the beast and his image and over the number of his name. They held harps given them by God
And they sing the song of Moses, the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying,
“Great and amazing are your deeds,
O Lord God the Almighty!
Just and true are your ways,
O King of the nations!
Who will not fear, O Lord,
and glorify your name?
For you alone are holy.
All nations will come
and worship you,
for your righteous acts have been revealed.”
Exodus 15
The Song of Moses and Israel
1Then Moses and the sons of Israel sang this song to the LORD, and said,
“I will sing to the LORD, for He is highly exalted;
The horse and its rider He has hurled into the sea.
2“The LORD is my strength and song,
And He has become my salvation;
This is my God, and I will praise Him;
My father’s God, and I will extol Him.
3“The LORD is a warrior;
The LORD is His name.
4“Pharaoh’s chariots and his army He has cast into the sea;
And the choicest of his officers are drowned in the Red Sea.
5“The deeps cover them;
They went down into the depths like a stone.
6“Your right hand, O LORD, is majestic in power,
Your right hand, O LORD, shatters the enemy.
7“And in the greatness of Your excellence You overthrow those who rise up against You;
You send forth Your burning anger, and it consumes them as chaff.
8“At the blast of Your nostrils the waters were piled up,
The flowing waters stood up like a heap;
The deeps were congealed in the heart of the sea.
9“The enemy said, ‘I will pursue, I will overtake, I will divide the spoil;
My desire shall be gratified against them;
I will draw out my sword, my hand will destroy them.’
10“You blew with Your wind, the sea covered them;
They sank like lead in the mighty waters.
11“Who is like You among the gods, O LORD?
Who is like You, majestic in holiness,
Awesome in praises, working wonders?
12“You stretched out Your right hand,
The earth swallowed them.
13“In Your lovingkindness You have led the people whom You have redeemed;
In Your strength You have guided them to Your holy habitation.
14“The peoples have heard, they tremble;
Anguish has gripped the inhabitants of Philistia.
15“Then the chiefs of Edom were dismayed;
The leaders of Moab, trembling grips them;
All the inhabitants of Canaan have melted away.
16“Terror and dread fall upon them;
By the greatness of Your arm they are motionless as stone;
Until Your people pass over, O LORD,
Until the people pass over whom You have purchased.
17“You will bring them and plant them in the mountain of Your inheritance,
The place, O LORD, which You have made for Your dwelling,
The sanctuary, O Lord, which Your hands have established.
18“The LORD shall reign forever and ever.”
Okay. That's all. :)
the truth:
newgena,
To be able to show you this would mean teaching on Rays site.I dont know if Ray said anything in His papers about the subject to busy to look right now.I will give you this and see if it helps
Of course this with the understanding we know God split the nation to North and South...South was Judea and North was according to 2 Kings 17:24 Babylon, Cuthah, Ava, Hamath, Sepharavaim, which are your 5 husbands; in John 4:16-18 with the woman at the well. In Genesis 48:19 through Ephraim is where we came in which is where God broke out the northern kingdoms.
Notice in Hosea 1:10(b) that it states "in the place that is at Jacob's well" in that place is in reference to the woman at the well in John 4:16-18, that is why it says in John 4:4 that He (Christ) had to go through Samaria. A couple of other scriptures references are in Hosea 6:4, Hosea 7:8, and Hosea 8:8.Hope this helps...God Bless.
newgene87:
thank you again Gina. you just revealed even more truths from the scriptures regarding that song. two after my wedding...i'ma have to say, God is blessing me with some truths ;D ;D ;D. so yes, "the inhabitants of the world WILL learn righteousness" according to God's will and obviously the glorious message of the Gospel. in that song of Moses does reveal the salvation of all seeing that He "declares the end from the beginning". Its seems all the MESS of the world is the building block for this glorious "song" to be glorified :D. and THANK YOU "the truth".... that really allows me to connect with scripture regarding the israelites. all in all - it corelates to ALL the "redeemed of the earth" and those who are of the Faith of Abraham, the TRUE sons of Abraham, in which "ALL THE NATIONS of the earth shall be blessed".
s.n - can you all imagine a choir of 144,000....singing in harmony??????? :o :o :o :o. i can sing and i've sung madrigals (if that's the correct term) in high school ---- 144,000 all in harmony - 36,000 sopranos; 36,000 altos; 36,000 tenors; 36,000 bass - or sectioned to 6 different parts that's still 24,000 each (yes i love math, you caught me) THAT WOULD BE AN AMAAAZZZINGGG SOUND!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D. again, Praise our Glorious God
Gina:
Yeah me too! I love choirs! I love music and I love harmonies (that's why I love the orchestra analogy so much that Marques pulled out from Ray's bible-study). The von trapp FAMILY orchestra. hehe, that's me!
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